Building AIE: Open Q&A and Feedback Session with swyx

Hello everyone. I am Swix. Hello everyone. I am Swix. I am one of the I am one of the I am one of the organizers of this organizers of this organizers of this conference. Essentially, conference. Essentially, conference. Essentially, this is one of those this is one of those this is one of those open open open Q& Q& Q& A/ A/ feedback sessions. feedback sessions. feedback sessions. If you have any feedback If you have any feedback If you have any feedback or questions and or questions and or questions and answers about answers about answers about how how any of these conferences are run any of these conferences are run , I'm the one to , I'm the one to , I'm the one to answer them all. We are answer them all. We are answer them all. We are really taking really taking really taking the feedback into account and the feedback into account and the feedback into account and implementing it at implementing it at implementing it at our next our next our next conference. We are conference. We are conference. We are going to announce going to announce that we will be back here that we will be back here that we will be back here in a year, in 2027, and in a year, in 2027, and in a year, in 2027, and also in New York, where also in New York, where also in New York, where our next our next our next conference will be conference will be conference will be directly directly directly focused on focused on focused on finance, money, and finance, money, and finance, money, and artificial intelligence. artificial intelligence. artificial intelligence. So it's a pretty So it's a pretty So it's a pretty open session. If open session. If open session. If you have questions, we will answer you have questions, we will answer you have questions, we will answer them. If there are them. If there are them. If there are no questions, I'll no questions, I'll no questions, I'll just finish just finish just finish early. So, your language early. So, your language . Does anyone have any questions . Does anyone have any questions ? Yes. So let ? Yes. So let ? Yes. So let me rephrase, me rephrase, me rephrase, let me let me let me rephrase you rephrase you rephrase you here. How about an here. How about an here. How about an AI safety session AI safety session AI safety session or or or existential existential existential risks next risks next risks next year? This usually year? This usually year? This usually happens in Light happens in Light Haven up north, in Haven up north, in Haven up north, in Berkeley. Hmm, I would say Berkeley. Hmm, I would say Berkeley. Hmm, I would say it's usually not that it's usually not that it's usually not that much engineering. I would much engineering. I would much engineering. I would say that it say that it say that it 's usually a form of discussion, 's usually a form of discussion, 's usually a form of discussion, research, and research, and research, and theory that we theory that we theory that we don't usually introduce don't usually introduce don't usually introduce as a direction, because as a direction, because as a direction, because mostly I want mostly I want mostly I want people to do things people to do things people to do things that they would that they would that they would use at use at use at work. This is kind of work. This is kind of work. This is kind of my limit. However, my limit. However, my limit. However, we are very keen on we are very keen on we are very keen on people people people organizing organizing organizing their own meetings.

their own meetings. their own meetings. We have places where We have places where We have places where participants can participants can participants can present their present their present their ideas, which I think is ideas, which I think is ideas, which I think is very important for very important for people to be able to people to be able to people to be able to express themselves. We'll have express themselves. We'll have express themselves. We'll have other places, other places, other places, for example, this year for example, this year for example, this year we also didn't have we also didn't have we also didn't have artificial intelligence artificial intelligence artificial intelligence for science, and obviously for science, and obviously science is something a science is something a science is something a lot of people lot of people lot of people do for do for do for work. Um, but people work. Um, but people work. Um, but people just organize just organize just organize meetings. There was a meetings. There was a meetings. There was a meeting called "Artificial meeting called "Artificial meeting called "Artificial Intelligence for Science," and it Intelligence for Science," and it Intelligence for Science," and it was like, "Maybe there's a was like, "Maybe there's a was like, "Maybe there's a meeting on X- meeting on X- risk." Hmm, I'm familiar with that risk." Hmm, I'm familiar with that risk." Hmm, I'm familiar with that . I'm a bit of a . I'm a bit of a . I'm a bit of a fool's advocate. I have fool's advocate. I have fool's advocate. I have said this before in said this before in said this before in my public my public my public statements. Um, that's just statements. Um, that's just statements. Um, that's just not the purpose of an AI engineer not the purpose of an AI engineer to help with that. to help with that. Yes. Yes. Greetings. Greetings. Oh, my God. Sorry. Oh, my God. Sorry. Oh, my God. Sorry. Okay, let's begin. Okay, let's begin. Okay, let's begin. Hmm, I guess my only Hmm, I guess my only Hmm, I guess my only answer is answer is answer is that I almost that I almost that I almost think it should be the think it should be the think it should be the job of job of job of AI engineers as much as AI engineers as much as AI engineers as much as anyone else. anyone else. anyone else. So, So, So, to look at this to look at this to look at this continuous- continuous- continuous- cycle machine that we're talking about building right cycle machine that we're talking about building right cycle machine that we're talking about building right now now now , and , and , and to think, to think, to think, okay, what's the ultimate okay, what's the ultimate okay, what's the ultimate goal of this? But yes, goal of this? But yes, goal of this? But yes, thank you. thank you. thank you. Yes, it's quite Yes, it's quite Yes, it's quite obvious that this is not what obvious that this is not what obvious that this is not what I'm talking about...People know I'm talking about...People know I'm talking about...People know about this. There is a whole about this. There is a whole about this. There is a whole security line. There is a security line. There is a security line. There is a sandbox line. Uh, you know sandbox line. Uh, you know , there's... It appears in , there's... It appears in , there's... It appears in a lot of our a lot of our a lot of our work. For example, work. For example, work. For example, if you have any if you have any if you have any protective fencing, protective fencing, protective fencing, if you have any if you have any if you have any evaluations, um, our evaluations, um, our evaluations, um, our evaluation line opened with evaluation line opened with evaluation line opened with End on Labs. We're actually a End on Labs. We're actually a End on Labs. We're actually a very very very safety-oriented company, but safety-oriented company, but safety-oriented company, but they're making a they're making a they're making a vending machine. Hmm vending machine. Hmm , and through the vending , and through the vending , and through the vending machine and through the machine and through the real- real- world thresholds, they actually world thresholds, they actually world thresholds, they actually show a lot show a lot show a lot more more more alignment issues than people alignment issues than people who just who just who just talk vaguely about X-risk.

talk vaguely about X-risk. talk vaguely about X-risk. Right? So, it's Right? So, it's Right? So, it's really interesting to me to really interesting to me to point directly to what point directly to what people are doing at people are doing at people are doing at work and what is work and what is work and what is leadership on leadership on leadership on the front lines and along the way the front lines and along the way the front lines and along the way solving problems of solving problems of solving problems of alignment or alignment or alignment or risk X. Hmm, I think risk X. Hmm, I think risk X. Hmm, I think ultimately the ultimately the ultimately the claim that claim that claim that engineers can, uh, engineers can, uh, engineers can, uh, develop AI, or develop AI, or develop AI, or engineers can engineers can engineers can use AI use AI use AI and control AI in and control AI in and control AI in systems is essentially a systems is essentially a systems is essentially a control structure control structure control structure over AI. Hmm, so everyone here is over AI. Hmm, so everyone here is over AI. Hmm, so everyone here is philosophically philosophically philosophically supportive of it, without supportive of it, without supportive of it, without necessarily putting necessarily putting necessarily putting it in the spotlight. it in the spotlight. Yes. First of all, first of all, a wonderful event. Uh of all, a wonderful event. Uh , and I don't have so much a , and I don't have so much a , and I don't have so much a question as, question as, question as, perhaps, a small perhaps, a small perhaps, a small comment. What do you comment. What do you comment. What do you think, uh, think, uh, think, uh, the exhibition, the the exhibition, the the exhibition, the exhibition itself, maybe 4 exhibition itself, maybe 4 exhibition itself, maybe 4 days is too much? days is too much? No. What do you think? No. What do you think? Yes. Yes. Yes. I think Yes. Yes. Yes. I think Yes. Yes. Yes. I think she she she was almost almost was almost almost was almost almost dead today. I would also dead today. I would also dead today. I would also like to think about like to think about like to think about maybe just one maybe just one maybe just one day dedicated entirely to day dedicated entirely to partners, like partners, like networking, sessions, networking, sessions, networking, sessions, and maybe one day and maybe one day and maybe one day just conferences and just conferences and just conferences and workshops. And maybe workshops. And maybe workshops. And maybe the exhibition will the exhibition will the exhibition will only last 2 days. Well, you know, only last 2 days. Well, you know, only last 2 days. Well, you know, okay. I'm not okay. I'm not okay. I'm not sure everyone will sure everyone will sure everyone will agree. And this is the agree. And this is the agree. And this is the first. Second, first. Second, first. Second, I actually had I actually had I actually had complaints about the insufficient complaints about the insufficient complaints about the insufficient number of exhibitions.

number of exhibitions. So, the So, the conference structure is as follows: conference structure is as follows: conference structure is as follows: Monday, Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Wednesday, Thursday. Wednesday, Thursday. The exhibition The exhibition The exhibition only opens at only opens at only opens at 4pm on Monday. And 4pm on Monday. And 4pm on Monday. And I was asked why I was asked why I was asked why she didn't work all she didn't work all she didn't work all day on Monday. day on Monday. You know. All I will You know. All I will say is that as long as say is that as long as say is that as long as people are servicing the people are servicing the people are servicing the exhibition, things are exhibition, things are exhibition, things are happening, and happening, and happening, and sponsors are paying for it sponsors are paying for it sponsors are paying for it , I am very happy , I am very happy , I am very happy that it remains that it remains that it remains open. I open. I open. I actually think that the actually think that the actually think that the World Expo World Expo World Expo is different from is different from is different from other summits in that other summits in that other summits in that summits are meant to be summits are meant to be summits are meant to be very curated very curated very curated and content-focused and content-focused and content-focused . World's . World's . World's Fairs Fairs Fairs should actually be more should actually be more should actually be more exhibition-like. This is exactly the kind of exhibition-like. This is exactly the kind of exhibition-like. This is exactly the kind of show I show I show I always imagined, where you always imagined, where you always imagined, where you could just grab could just grab could just grab a ticket to the show and a ticket to the show and a ticket to the show and walk around all day walk around all day walk around all day learning about the learning about the learning about the industry. And if you can't industry. And if you can't industry. And if you can't come on come on come on Monday, you can Monday, you can Monday, you can come on Tuesday, come on Tuesday, come on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday. Which, Wednesday, or Thursday. Which, Wednesday, or Thursday. Which, in fact, is what people in fact, is what people in fact, is what people do. People do. People do. People only come on only come on only come on certain days because, certain days because, certain days because, obviously, they have obviously, they have obviously, they have work to do. Other things on work to do. Other things on work to do. Other things on this subject. Um, what's this subject. Um, what's this subject. Um, what's actually funny is, I actually funny is, I actually funny is, I was thinking that if there was thinking that if there was thinking that if there was even more of an was even more of an was even more of an exhibition upstairs. Because exhibition upstairs. Because exhibition upstairs. Because I don't like the I don't like the I don't like the time pressure on reports time pressure on reports . I think that, you know, . I think that, you know, . I think that, you know, the need the need the need to rush to this to rush to this to rush to this room, to that room, to that room, to that room, this room room, this room room, this room puts a lot of pressure on everyone, the puts a lot of pressure on everyone, the puts a lot of pressure on everyone, the participants and the participants and the participants and the speakers, and even on speakers, and even on speakers, and even on us as organizers. The us as organizers. The us as organizers. The natural way natural way natural way people people people talk here is talk here is talk here is just by walking. I just by walking. I just by walking. I think that's great. So what think that's great. So what think that's great. So what if we if we if we turned the upstairs turned the upstairs turned the upstairs into something like a into something like a into something like a content expo, content expo, content expo, here it's like a here it's like a here it's like a sponsor expo, and sponsor expo, and sponsor expo, and people would just stand people would just stand people would just stand around. It's also very around. It's also very around. It's also very tiring to stand, so tiring to stand, so tiring to stand, so I don't know what the I don't know what the I don't know what the right combination is.

right combination is. right combination is. Um, what else can I Um, what else can I Um, what else can I say about this say about this say about this ? We also ? We also ? We also add a lot of add a lot of add a lot of breaks. For example, breaks. For example, breaks. For example, you know, we spend you know, we spend you know, we spend a lot of time on, a lot of time on, a lot of time on, like, the like, the like, the puppy corner, and, uh, puppy corner, and, uh, puppy corner, and, uh, poster sessions, and the poster sessions, and the poster sessions, and the music corner, and, music corner, and, music corner, and, as you know, Grep Town as you know, Grep Town as you know, Grep Town even introduced a "Do even introduced a "Do you like the you like the you like the music corner?" music corner?" music corner?" People are complaining about the People are complaining about the People are complaining about the music corner. music corner. music corner. They said, "Ah, this is like They said, "Ah, this is like They said, "Ah, this is like interrupting my interrupting my interrupting my quiet time outside. quiet time outside. " I say, “Well, you " I say, “Well, you " I say, “Well, you can go can go can go upstairs to the upstairs to the upstairs to the leaders’ lounge. You can leaders’ lounge. You can leaders’ lounge. You can go down to the go down to the go down to the exhibition." I don't know. exhibition." I don't know. exhibition." I don't know. Um, I love music, Um, I love music, Um, I love music, so I'm in the music so I'm in the music so I'm in the music corner. Um, corner. Um, uh, can you be a uh, can you be a speaker speaker speaker at Shift in Croatia again? at Shift in Croatia again? at Shift in Croatia again? Oh, I love Shift. I love Oh, I love Shift. I love Oh, I love Shift. I love Shift. Are Shift. Are Shift. Are we coming back this we coming back this we coming back this year or next? year or next? year or next? Um, I just lost my Um, I just lost my Um, I just lost my passport. I'm stuck in the passport. I'm stuck in the passport. I'm stuck in the US until I get a US until I get a US until I get a new passport. Um, but new passport. Um, but new passport. Um, but yeah, for those who don't yeah, for those who don't yeah, for those who don't know, AIE was know, AIE was know, AIE was founded inspired by founded inspired by founded inspired by Shift in Croatia. Shift is Shift in Croatia. Shift is one of the best one of the best one of the best conferences conferences conferences I've ever attended and I've ever attended and I've ever attended and spoken at. Um, and Ivan, spoken at. Um, and Ivan, spoken at. Um, and Ivan, you know, my mentor you know, my mentor you know, my mentor from the AIE organization, uh, from the AIE organization, uh, from the AIE organization, uh, and potentially, you know, and potentially, you know, and potentially, you know, running it as a business running it as a business that could be sold.

that could be sold. Um, uh, yes, I'd like to Um, uh, yes, I'd like to go back. I'm just go back. I'm just go back. I'm just not really...uh, not really...uh, not really...uh, you know, I'm going you know, I'm going you know, I'm going to other AIEs around the to other AIEs around the to other AIEs around the world right now. Um, uh, you know, world right now. Um, uh, you know, world right now. Um, uh, you know, this year we this year we this year we basically have basically have basically have four to five four to five four to five partner partner partner conferences in Miami, conferences in Miami, conferences in Miami, Melbourne, Sydney, Melbourne, Sydney, Melbourne, Sydney, Shanghai. Uh, Shanghai Shanghai. Uh, Shanghai Shanghai. Uh, Shanghai hasn't been decided yet. But, uh, hasn't been decided yet. But, uh, hasn't been decided yet. But, uh, Paris will also Paris will also Paris will also take place, uh, in take place, uh, in take place, uh, in Singapore. So I Singapore. So I Singapore. So I already have a lot of traveling. already have a lot of traveling. already have a lot of traveling. Then, for example, Then, for example, Then, for example, adding travel adding travel adding travel to conferences not to conferences not to conferences not related to AIE is a related to AIE is a related to AIE is a big request. But big request. But big request. But Shift is something special. Shift is something special. We also had We also had guests from We Are Developers and guests from We Are Developers and guests from We Are Developers and other major other major other major conferences. Uh, we're conferences. Uh, we're conferences. Uh, we're probably starting to probably starting to probably starting to appear on appear on appear on other people's radars, you know, other people's radars, you know, other people's radars, you know, we're a lot younger. we're a lot younger. we're a lot younger. I don't know how I don't know how I don't know how old Shift is, maybe 7-8 old Shift is, maybe 7-8 old Shift is, maybe 7-8 years? 15? Yes, we are 3 years? 15? Yes, we are 3 years? 15? Yes, we are 3 years old. Er, and bigger than years old. Er, and bigger than years old. Er, and bigger than many others. I many others. I many others. I think we're think we're think we're bigger than Shift now. Uh, it's bigger than Shift now. Uh, it's bigger than Shift now. Uh, it's interesting how we interesting how we interesting how we blend in with other blend in with other conference companies and how we conference companies and how we figure into the figure into the figure into the landscape of landscape of landscape of marketing marketing marketing charts and charts and charts and timelines, uh, you timelines, uh, you timelines, uh, you know, our know, our know, our sponsors and our sponsors and our sponsors and our attendees. Uh, and so attendees. Uh, and so attendees. Uh, and so I'm quite sensitive to how I'm quite sensitive to how I'm quite sensitive to how we we we fit into the larger fit into the larger fit into the larger picture, because we're not the picture, because we're not the picture, because we're not the only conference only conference only conference that people go to.

that people go to. that people go to. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. Hello, Swix. So, I Hello, Swix. So, I Hello, Swix. So, I came from Bangalore. came from Bangalore. came from Bangalore. Um, this is my second year Um, this is my second year Um, this is my second year participating in the participating in the Engineering Engineering Engineering Improvement program that I'm Improvement program that I'm Improvement program that I'm attending. So I'm attending. So I'm attending. So I'm just curious how the just curious how the AI ​​departments are developing. Is there a AI ​​departments are developing. Is there a plan to bring this to plan to bring this to plan to bring this to India? Maybe to India? Maybe to India? Maybe to Bangalore or some Bangalore or some Bangalore or some other city eventually. other city eventually. other city eventually. Yes, you are the fifth Yes, you are the fifth Yes, you are the fifth Indian to Indian to Indian to ask me this. ask me this. ask me this. That's right. We That's right. We That's right. We need this. need this. need this. Yes, yes, yes. No, Yes, yes, yes. No, Yes, yes, yes. No, obviously there is a obviously there is a obviously there is a lot of demand and there are a lot of demand and there are a lot of demand and there are a lot of people in India. lot of people in India. lot of people in India. Um, yes, there is. Um, we have a Um, yes, there is. Um, we have a Um, yes, there is. Um, we have a partner, um, Gortek, partner, um, Gortek, partner, um, Gortek, I think. Um, do you I think. Um, do you I think. Um, do you know them? Basically, know them? Basically, know them? Basically, we have a we have a we have a partnership program. They are partnership program. They are partnership program. They are on the website. Yes, on the website. Yes, on the website. Yes, you go to AI.engineer, you go to AI.engineer, you go to AI.engineer, scroll down, scroll down, scroll down, you see the you see the you see the partnership section. We have partnership section. We have partnership section. We have about 40 countries that have about 40 countries that have about 40 countries that have already signed up. already signed up. already signed up. They all want They all want They all want to create some kind of to create some kind of to create some kind of AI in their country. And AI in their country. And AI in their country. And we're not going to we're not going to we're not going to cover every cover every cover every country, are we? country, are we? country, are we? So the idea is to So the idea is to create a TED create a TED vs. TEDx model at scale, something vs. TEDx model at scale, something vs. TEDx model at scale, something like, “Okay, I like, “Okay, I like, “Okay, I run the main TED, and run the main TED, and run the main TED, and anyone can have a TED in anyone can have a TED in anyone can have a TED in their country, if it’s their country, if it’s their country, if it’s beneficial to them, I don’t beneficial to them, I don’t beneficial to them, I don’t care. Well, you know, I mean care. Well, you know, I mean care. Well, you know, I mean , , , I don't really I don't really I don't really care in the sense care in the sense care in the sense that I want the brand to that I want the brand to that I want the brand to still still still represent something and to have represent something and to have represent something and to have meaningful meaningful meaningful conversations and good conversations and good conversations and good technical content.

technical content. technical content. But I don't want to be a But I don't want to be a But I don't want to be a limiting limiting limiting factor for countries factor for countries factor for countries that have their own that have their own that have their own community, and if the AIE community, and if the AIE community, and if the AIE can help, then can help, then can help, then why not? Uh, so why not? Uh, so why not? Uh, so India is one of those India is one of those India is one of those places where I don't places where I don't places where I don't know the country very well, know the country very well, know the country very well, but if you guys but if you guys but if you guys want to take it and want to take it and want to take it and act on it, yeah, absolutely act on it, yeah, absolutely act on it, yeah, absolutely . So we have . So we have . So we have someone I've someone I've someone I've been in touch with since AIE been in touch with since AIE been in touch with since AIE Singapore who wants to Singapore who wants to Singapore who wants to do this for do this for do this for Bangalore. Uh, and Bangalore. Uh, and Bangalore. Uh, and probably for other probably for other probably for other cities too. Uh, I cities too. Uh, I cities too. Uh, I think we'll probably think we'll probably think we'll probably start with Bangalore. start with Bangalore. start with Bangalore. Yes, that makes sense. And is Yes, that makes sense. And is Yes, that makes sense. And is there a plan for such there a plan for such there a plan for such communities? branches communities? branches communities? branches that, let's say, people that, let's say, people that, let's say, people can join, and can join, and , uh, we can , uh, we can , uh, we can join and be a join and be a join and be a part of them? Yes, there part of them? Yes, there part of them? Yes, there really is no community at AIE really is no community at AIE really is no community at AIE , other than , other than social media pages, social media pages, Twitter, LinkedIn, and a very Twitter, LinkedIn, and a very Twitter, LinkedIn, and a very inactive Slack. Uh, inactive Slack. Uh, inactive Slack. Uh, you know, I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm just focusing on the just focusing on the just focusing on the personal community. personal community. personal community. I think it would be really I think it would be really I think it would be really interesting to create an interesting to create an interesting to create an online community, but online community, but online community, but I much I much I much prefer live prefer live prefer live performances on other performances on other performances on other existing platforms existing platforms existing platforms because that's where people are because that's where people are because that's where people are already communicating. I don't already communicating. I don't already communicating. I don't want to add another want to add another want to add another Slack to your already 200 Slacks.

Slack to your already 200 Slacks. Slack to your already 200 Slacks. I have too much Slack, I have too much Slack, I have too much Slack, I don't need I don't need I don't need another Slack, but I'm already on another Slack, but I'm already on another Slack, but I'm already on Twitter. AIE is integrated into Twitter. AIE is integrated into Twitter. AIE is integrated into Twitter. By the way, it's Twitter. By the way, it's Twitter. By the way, it's free free free marketing for AIE marketing for AIE marketing for AIE every time you every time you every time you tweet about AIE. tweet about AIE. tweet about AIE. It seems like there are a lot of It seems like there are a lot of It seems like there are a lot of reasons to just reasons to just reasons to just integrate into your integrate into your integrate into your existing social existing social existing social networks, your existing networks, your existing networks, your existing blogs. Uh, and we'll blogs. Uh, and we'll blogs. Uh, and we'll get by with that. Uh, we get by with that. Uh, we get by with that. Uh, we have meetings. Uh, AIE have meetings. Uh, AIE have meetings. Uh, AIE Italy has been meeting for a Italy has been meeting for a Italy has been meeting for a long time. AIE London long time. AIE London long time. AIE London has been meeting for a has been meeting for a has been meeting for a long time. Uh, and I... I think there long time. Uh, and I... I think there long time. Uh, and I... I think there are meetings of AIE Argentina, there is are meetings of AIE Argentina, there is are meetings of AIE Argentina, there is one of the one of the one of the South American South American South American countries. So people countries. So people countries. So people can can can organize organize organize meetings. We provide meetings. We provide meetings. We provide support. Um, and, uh, I support. Um, and, uh, I support. Um, and, uh, I think it's a think it's a think it's a community. I really community. I really community. I really like it, I do like it, I do like it, I do n't even think of it as an n't even think of it as an n't even think of it as an AIE community. I think AIE community. I think AIE community. I think of it more like if of it more like if of it more like if you're an you're an you're an artificial intelligence engineer, artificial intelligence engineer, artificial intelligence engineer, you sometimes come to you sometimes come to you sometimes come to AIE. Sometimes you AIE. Sometimes you AIE. Sometimes you go to other, not-so- go to other, not-so- go to other, not-so- good good good conferences and then conferences and then conferences and then you think about you think about you think about how great how great how great AIE was and you come back AIE was and you come back . . Great, thank you. Oh, and thanks, Ian, for Oh, and thanks, Ian, for being the microphone.

being the microphone. Yes, Ian has also been a speaker on several occasions, speaker on several occasions, and it's great to have you here. and it's great to have you here. Hi, Swix, this is Eric Hi, Swix, this is Eric Ness. I'm organizing Ness. I'm organizing Ness. I'm organizing a meeting of a meeting of a meeting of artificial intelligence engineers in artificial intelligence engineers in artificial intelligence engineers in Minneapolis. Minneapolis. Minneapolis. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. Greetings. We were just talking about We were just talking about We were just talking about this. this. this. Yes. You can Yes. You can Yes. You can organize your own organize your own organize your own meeting. You meeting. You meeting. You can just do something. can just do something. can just do something. Write to Swix in private Write to Swix in private Write to Swix in private messages. messages. Just write to Swix in Just write to Swix in private private private messages. Uh messages. Uh , so the production , so the production , so the production here is great, and I'm just here is great, and I'm just here is great, and I'm just wondering, what about wondering, what about wondering, what about local meetups? Do local meetups? Do local meetups? Do you have any quick you have any quick you have any quick tips for tips for tips for adding value to the adding value to the adding value to the product? product? I wonder what I wonder what the value of the product is. the value of the product is. Hmm, I don't have any, because I think I was think I was think I was organizing organizing organizing meetings for years before I gave meetings for years before I gave meetings for years before I gave my my my first first first conference talk. And I conference talk. And I conference talk. And I think meetings think meetings are a labor of love, they're are a labor of love, they're are a labor of love, they're always always always last minute, and last minute, and last minute, and they're always looking for they're always looking for they're always looking for speakers, they're always speakers, they're always speakers, they're always looking for venues looking for venues looking for venues , you're always , you're always , you're always ordering pizza, etc., ordering pizza, etc., ordering pizza, etc., and that's the norm. Hmm, and that's the norm. Hmm, and that's the norm. Hmm, production usually production usually production usually involves a group of involves a group of involves a group of volunteers volunteers volunteers helping each helping each helping each other. You definitely don't other. You definitely don't other. You definitely don't do this on your own.

do this on your own. do this on your own. I think it's I think it's I think it's essential to essential to essential to have a home where people have a home where people have a home where people always know it's the always know it's the always know it's the same same same place, the same place, the same place, the same time of the month. time of the month. time of the month. For example, we For example, we For example, we meet meet meet every fourth every fourth every fourth Thursday or something like that Thursday or something like that , you know? , you know? , you know? Yes. Yes. Hmm, and finally, it's Hmm, and finally, it's always just a always just a always just a polished choice of polished choice of polished choice of speakers and then speakers and then speakers and then how you record it. how you record it. If you write it down ...Hmm, I definitely don't think ...Hmm, I definitely don't think ...Hmm, I definitely don't think you need to you need to you need to write everything down. write everything down. write everything down. Basically, I think there Basically, I think there Basically, I think there are some meetings that are some meetings that are some meetings that effectively work effectively work effectively work as mini-conferences, as mini-conferences, as mini-conferences, where they have where they have where they have two to five two to five two to five presentations, so presentations, so presentations, so each meeting...and it's each meeting...and it's each meeting...and it's just talk, just talk, just talk, talk, talk, and talk, talk, and talk, talk, and then, um, discussion, and then, um, discussion, and then, um, discussion, and then it's then it's then it's over. I think the over. I think the opportunities for opportunities for opportunities for meetings are meetings are meetings are much broader than much broader than much broader than other events that other events that other events that bring together a lot bring together a lot bring together a lot more people, and you more people, and you more people, and you can, um, can, um, can, um, Portland used to Portland used to Portland used to have these have these have these beer events, and you beer events, and you beer events, and you just go out and just go out and just go out and have a beer in a beer have a beer in a beer have a beer in a beer garden. Um, and it's fun. garden. Um, and it's fun. garden. Um, and it's fun. This is a meeting. Um, it doesn't This is a meeting. Um, it doesn't This is a meeting. Um, it doesn't always have to be something always have to be something always have to be something like a mini- like a mini- conference, conference, conference, like this one. like this one. like this one. Yes, we usually Yes, we usually Yes, we usually like a little like a little like a little chat, two chat, two chat, two presentations, and then some more presentations, and then some more presentations, and then some more chat.

chat. chat. So. So. So. Yes. So I would say that's the Yes. So I would say that's the Yes. So I would say that's the norm, and that's what the norm, and that's what the norm, and that's what the average average average meeting should be like. And then, if meeting should be like. And then, if meeting should be like. And then, if you want to add you want to add you want to add a little more a little more a little more spice, you have a spice, you have a website. You have a website. You have a website. You have a prestigious company prestigious company prestigious company sponsoring this. sponsoring this. sponsoring this. You have the best You have the best You have the best speakers. Every time speakers. Every time speakers. Every time they're in town, they they're in town, they they're in town, they go to this meeting go to this meeting go to this meeting because it's the one that's because it's the one that's because it's the one that's famous because it has a famous because it has a famous because it has a Twitter and YouTube account. Twitter and YouTube account. Twitter and YouTube account. channel, and it has all of that channel, and it has all of that channel, and it has all of that . This is just . This is just . This is just extra work, extra work, extra work, besides organizing besides organizing besides organizing the meeting. the meeting. the meeting. Good. Good. Good. Um, maybe you can Um, maybe you can Um, maybe you can talk to JS, uh, talk to JS, uh, talk to JS, uh, search js.la. I would search js.la. I would search js.la. I would say that this was a fairly say that this was a fairly say that this was a fairly successful meeting, successful meeting, successful meeting, well organized, well organized, well organized, well thought out. Um, well thought out. Um, well thought out. Um, it's like, I think if you it's like, I think if you it's like, I think if you figure out the figure out the figure out the organization of the event organization of the event organization of the event and then the publishing and then the publishing , it's 80/20. You , it's 80/20. You , it's 80/20. You don't really don't really don't really need much need much need much else, like else, like else, like infrastructure or infrastructure or infrastructure or organizing a company organizing a company organizing a company around it. around it. around it. Hmm. Hmm. Um, and to some extent I Um, and to some extent I want to keep the bar want to keep the bar want to keep the bar low and accessible. low and accessible. low and accessible. You can always You can always You can always increase it. You increase it. You increase it. You can always hold can always hold can always hold your own conference.

your own conference. your own conference. Um, just be Um, just be Um, just be prepared in advance prepared in advance prepared in advance for the fact that this will be for the fact that this will be for the fact that this will be your full-time job your full-time job your full-time job . And uh, it . And uh, it . And uh, it might not be for everyone. might not be for everyone. might not be for everyone. Good. Yes. Good. Yes. Good. Yes. Well, thank you. I Well, thank you. I Well, thank you. I really liked it here. really liked it here. really liked it here. Thanks for coming, Thanks for coming, Thanks for coming, dude. dude. dude. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Um, more questions Yes. Um, more questions , more feedback. Um, , more feedback. Um, , more feedback. Um, again, yes. again, yes. Um, so my reviews are Um, so my reviews are mostly mostly mostly about, I think, about, I think, about, I think, Monday, the seminars, Monday, the seminars, Monday, the seminars, right? I feel like right? I feel like right? I feel like If there is a way If there is a way If there is a way to register to register to register online for a room because online for a room because online for a room because I spent half a day in I spent half a day in I spent half a day in line to get line to get line to get into a room that I never into a room that I never into a room that I never got into. got into. got into. Yes. Um, yeah, that's what Yes. Um, yeah, that's what Yes. Um, yeah, that's what we let down, uh, the we let down, uh, the we let down, uh, the participants this year. participants this year. participants this year. I'm sorry about that. Um, I'm sorry about that. Um, I'm sorry about that. Um, some people like some people like some people like that we have roughly the that we have roughly the that we have roughly the same size same size same size rooms, but we rooms, but we rooms, but we don't have the same don't have the same don't have the same interest in rooms. And interest in rooms. And interest in rooms. And it is very difficult it is very difficult it is very difficult to distribute. I to distribute. I to distribute. I mean, the trade-off is that mean, the trade-off is that mean, the trade-off is that everything everything everything is recorded. So, I'm is recorded. So, I'm is recorded. So, I'm just telling you, if just telling you, if just telling you, if the room is full, the room is full, the room is full, go to your go to your go to your second one, go to your second one, go to your second one, go to your third one. Um, but yes, third one. Um, but yes, third one. Um, but yes, people want to people want to people want to pre- pre- pre- register. Um, register. Um, register. Um, we tried, we we tried, we we tried, we paid paid paid the vendor a lot of the vendor a lot of the vendor a lot of money for a mobile money for a mobile money for a mobile app for the app for the app for the conference, and we conference, and we conference, and we couldn't do it for couldn't do it for couldn't do it for pre- pre- pre- registration for the registration for the registration for the seminars. I didn't...I seminars. I didn't...I seminars. I didn't...I personally didn't personally didn't personally didn't participate. As my participate. As my participate. As my team just team just team just said, we said, we said, we tried it and it didn't tried it and it didn't tried it and it didn't work. So work. So work. So next year we'll next year we'll next year we'll try. Um, people try. Um, people try. Um, people always want always want always want re-registration. Um, re-registration. Um, re-registration. Um, I'll try...I'll just I'll try...I'll just I'll try...I'll just generally say that, generally say that, generally say that, you know, I sign up you know, I sign up you know, I sign up for...things that I for...things that I for...things that I don't show up for either. Uh don't show up for either. Uh , uh, I think there , uh, I think there , uh, I think there needs to be some better needs to be some better needs to be some better organization that we organization that we organization that we should do for you

should do for you should do for you as a participant, but we haven't as a participant, but we haven't as a participant, but we haven't , and you know, I'm , and you know, I'm , and you know, I'm disappointed that we have disappointed that we have disappointed that we have n't done it n't done it n't done it this year. I-I was this year. I-I was this year. I-I was seriously thinking that seriously thinking that seriously thinking that this year we would start this year we would start this year we would start holding seminars, uh holding seminars, uh , registration. Uh, and , registration. Uh, and , registration. Uh, and we promised people we promised people we promised people we didn't do it. Er we didn't do it. Er , this is mostly a , this is mostly a software problem. We software problem. We need to solve this. need to solve this. need to solve this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Again, everything Again, everything Again, everything is recorded, right is recorded, right is recorded, right ? As you know, I ? As you know, I ? As you know, I think it's the UX of think it's the UX of think it's the UX of who gets into the who gets into the who gets into the room and how quickly room and how quickly room and how quickly you realize you're not you realize you're not you realize you're not getting into the getting into the getting into the room so you can room so you can room so you can move on to the next move on to the next move on to the next thing. So, uh, I'm thing. So, uh, I'm thing. So, uh, I'm optimized for optimized for optimized for that. I know this is a that. I know this is a that. I know this is a pain point. Uh, I'm pain point. Uh, I'm pain point. Uh, I'm wounded, as they wounded, as they wounded, as they say. say. Maybe I have Maybe I have one too. one too. one too. Yes. Yes. Yes. Uh, is that the maximum Uh, is that the maximum Uh, is that the maximum size of the conference size of the conference size of the conference you're planning? I you're planning? I you're planning? I mean, considering the, mean, considering the, mean, considering the, uh, capacity of the venue uh, capacity of the venue uh, capacity of the venue . Because I . Because I . Because I feel like it's... It's not feel like it's... It's not feel like it's... It's not necessarily that necessarily that necessarily that more is better. more is better. more is better. Yes, yes. I agree. And, Yes, yes. I agree. And, Yes, yes. I agree. And, um, we really um, we really um, we really paid attention to paid attention to paid attention to size when it comes size when it comes size when it comes to the World's to the World's to the World's Fair, because size Fair, because size Fair, because size has its advantages, has its advantages, has its advantages, because it can because it can because it can attract some of attract some of attract some of our best our best our best speakers. But there is also speakers. But there is also speakers. But there is also such a thing as such a thing as such a thing as too big. So too big. So too big. So I haven't announced I haven't announced I haven't announced it yet, but you guys it yet, but you guys it yet, but you guys have a special have a special have a special announcement. We will move on announcement. We will move on announcement. We will move on to the closing to the closing to the closing remarks and say remarks and say remarks and say that we are that we are that we are not growing next year.

not growing next year. not growing next year. Next, um, Next, um, Next, um, next year it will be next year it will be next year it will be the same size, the the same size, the the same size, the same same same venue, everything the venue, everything the venue, everything the same. And we just same. And we just same. And we just optimize. The idea optimize. The idea optimize. The idea is that is that is that now all of our now all of our now all of our sponsors have seen what the sponsors have seen what the sponsors have seen what the World's World's World's Fair at Moscone looks like. Fair at Moscone looks like. Fair at Moscone looks like. All our visitors All our visitors All our visitors have seen it. All of our, have seen it. All of our, have seen it. All of our, um, speakers saw it. um, speakers saw it. um, speakers saw it. Let's all, and Let's all, and Let's all, and most importantly, my most importantly, my most importantly, my employees all employees all employees all saw it. So now we saw it. So now we saw it. So now we actually know what the actually know what the actually know what the World's World's World's Fair at Moscone looks like. Fair at Moscone looks like. Fair at Moscone looks like. We're just going to We're just going to We're just going to do it every year do it every year do it every year until we get until we get until we get good, and then we good, and then we good, and then we can grow. So can grow. So , I think that , I think that , I think that next year, as I next year, as I next year, as I said, there will be said, there will be said, there will be some halls that...were some halls that...were some halls that...were still empty. still empty. still empty. For example, the third For example, the third For example, the third level was still, I level was still, I level was still, I think we can think we can think we can just better just better just better optimize the optimize the optimize the use of the use of the use of the existing space. existing space. existing space. But we have the But we have the But we have the exact same week booked exact same week booked next year. So next year. So we can just we can just we can just go back to how we, you go back to how we, you go back to how we, you know, we have, so I'm know, we have, so I'm know, we have, so I'm very confident that I very confident that I very confident that I can promise that there's can promise that there's can promise that there's nothing like that, nothing like that, that we're not going to that we're not going to that we're not going to grow, like grow, like grow, like move to a move to a move to a bigger venue or bigger venue or bigger venue or anything like that. And I anything like that. And I anything like that. And I think I want think I want think I want everyone to have a much everyone to have a much everyone to have a much better experience, better experience, better experience, including us, including us, including us, organizing so that, organizing so that, organizing so that, you know, this becomes a you know, this becomes a you know, this becomes a sustainable industry sustainable industry sustainable industry conference. I want this to conference. I want this to conference. I want this to last for last for last for decades. I want decades. I want this to be an industry this to be an industry this to be an industry institution. This is not a institution. This is not a institution. This is not a quick quick quick hyper-growing hyper-growing hyper-growing rush for me.

rush for me. rush for me. You know, I really You know, I really You know, I really believe that believe that believe that artificial intelligence engineering artificial intelligence engineering artificial intelligence engineering deserves, you know, the deserves, you know, the deserves, you know, the best best best conference that we conference that we conference that we can have. So, can have. So, can have. So, yes, I feel like yes, I feel like yes, I feel like the comments are mostly the comments are mostly the comments are mostly from Europeans, which is from Europeans, which is from Europeans, which is very interesting. Um, but very interesting. Um, but very interesting. Um, but yeah, I'm me, I definitely don't yeah, I'm me, I definitely don't yeah, I'm me, I definitely don't like the really, like the really, like the really, really, really big, like the really, really big, like the AWS reimagining, the AWS reimagining, the Las Vegas stuff. So Las Vegas stuff. So Las Vegas stuff. So we'll never leave we'll never leave we'll never leave San Francisco. Um, San Francisco. Um, San Francisco. Um, Moscone is exactly what is Moscone is exactly what is Moscone is exactly what is needed, at least needed, at least needed, at least for this year, for this year, for this year, next year and next year and next year and probably the next 5 probably the next 5 probably the next 5 years. Um, actually, years. Um, actually, years. Um, actually, my joke is that the my joke is that the my joke is that the next next next step from here is to step from here is to step from here is to raise money and raise money and raise money and build a new build a new build a new building. Um, because there are building. Um, because there are building. Um, because there are things about Moscone that things about Moscone that things about Moscone that I don't like. I don't like. I don't like. So, um, what does it So, um, what does it So, um, what does it look like, right? Um, well, look like, right? Um, well, look like, right? Um, well, we'll see. Um, but we'll see. Um, but we'll see. Um, but you know, I always you know, I always you know, I always joke that the joke that the joke that the tech business really tech business really tech business really only finances only finances only finances real estate. This is not real estate. This is not real estate. This is not the end, you know, it's not the the end, you know, it's not the the end, you know, it's not the other way around. other way around. other way around. Anyway, I...it's a bit of a Anyway, I...it's a bit of a Anyway, I...it's a bit of a stretch, but, um stretch, but, um , the intention is that we're , the intention is that we're , the intention is that we're just growing just growing just growing because of the geogeography because of the geogeography because of the geogeography and the accessibility to and the accessibility to and the accessibility to other countries, but as far as other countries, but as far as other countries, but as far as San San Francisco is concerned, we're going to stay put for a while longer Francisco is concerned, we're going to stay put for a while longer . Thank you. I don't know if don't know if this has been discussed, this has been discussed, this has been discussed, but the wifi was really but the wifi was really but the wifi was really bad. Even bad. Even bad. Even the speakers were unable to the speakers were unable to the speakers were unable to present their present their present their demonstrations at the demonstrations at the demonstrations at the seminars, seminars, seminars, mainly. I don't know if it's mainly. I don't know if it's mainly. I don't know if it's up to you or up to you or us...Um, we have us...Um, we have complaints, complaints, complaints, refund requests, refund requests, refund requests, all that. Um, this all that. Um, this all that. Um, this happens every year.

happens every year. happens every year. Um, uh, and you know, we Um, uh, and you know, we Um, uh, and you know, we pay the maximum for pay the maximum for pay the maximum for whatever Wi-Fi package whatever Wi-Fi package whatever Wi-Fi package they they they offer us. So, other than offer us. So, other than offer us. So, other than that, what can we that, what can we that, what can we do? Um, the truth is do? Um, the truth is do? Um, the truth is that most of that most of that most of these places are not these places are not these places are not designed for designed for designed for engineers who engineers who engineers who download download download gigabytes of data onto gigabytes of data onto gigabytes of data onto a laptop every time. They are not the a laptop every time. They are not the a laptop every time. They are not the kind of place to kind of place to kind of place to hold hold hold conferences. Um, so, conferences. Um, so, conferences. Um, so, uh, for me it's uh, for me it's uh, for me it's an improvement over an improvement over an improvement over last year last year last year because we're no longer because we're no longer because we're no longer in the in the in the third basement of the third basement of the third basement of the Marriott, where there's no Marriott, where there's no Marriott, where there's no reception. Here reception. Here reception. Here at least everyone can at least everyone can at least everyone can connect to the connect to the connect to the Internet via a Internet via a Internet via a modem, and that's good. modem, and that's good. modem, and that's good. As for As for As for the speakers, we the speakers, we the speakers, we actually had a actually had a actually had a separate Wi-Fi for the separate Wi-Fi for the separate Wi-Fi for the speakers. Um, I'm not speakers. Um, I'm not speakers. Um, I'm not sure if every sure if every sure if every speaker speaker speaker was told this, but was told this, but was told this, but as far as I know, I've as far as I know, I've as far as I know, I've always had always had always had Wi-Fi on and Wi-Fi on and Wi-Fi on and I've never had I've never had I've never had any problems. And any problems. And any problems. And sponsors also have sponsors also have sponsors also have separate Wi-Fi. So we separate Wi-Fi. So we separate Wi-Fi. So we want to make sure want to make sure want to make sure that sponsors can that sponsors can that sponsors can hold their hold their hold their demonstrations. But as demonstrations. But as demonstrations. But as for the participants for the participants , yes, there will be , yes, there will be , yes, there will be overload. We overload. We overload. We try to pay the try to pay the try to pay the maximum for everything. maximum for everything. maximum for everything. Another, I think, Another, I think, Another, I think, next option next option next option from here is, I don't know, from here is, I don't know, from here is, I don't know, build your own build your own build your own hotspots hotspots hotspots and then provide everyone with and then provide everyone with , like, a second , like, a second , like, a second Wi-Fi. This is not very good. It has Wi-Fi. This is not very good. It has Wi-Fi. This is not very good. It has never been good never been good never been good at any at any at any conference conference conference I have been to. So this is an awkward I have been to. So this is an awkward I have been to. So this is an awkward answer I have to answer I have to answer I have to give now. Unless you give now. Unless you give now. Unless you know someone who know someone who know someone who does Wi-Fi. So, does Wi-Fi. So, does Wi-Fi. So, how many satellites do how many satellites do how many satellites do you need? How many you need? How many you need? How many antennas do you need antennas do you need antennas do you need to serve 7,000 to serve 7,000 to serve 7,000 people? I don't know. Hmm, people? I don't know. Hmm, people? I don't know. Hmm, Starlink—that's cool.

Starlink—that's cool. Hey, how are you? My Hey, how are you? My name is Justin. This is my name is Justin. This is my name is Justin. This is my first first first artificial intelligence engineer. artificial intelligence engineer. artificial intelligence engineer. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. I mean, I I mean, I I mean, I travel to travel to travel to China often. I saw that there was an China often. I saw that there was an China often. I saw that there was an opportunity in Shanghai. opportunity in Shanghai. But you just mentioned But you just mentioned that it hasn't been determined yet. that it hasn't been determined yet. that it hasn't been determined yet. Yes. Yes. Yes. So that's why there's a So that's why there's a So that's why there's a waiting list? waiting list? waiting list? Yes. Good. Yes. Good. Yes. Good. Good. Just wanted Good. Just wanted Good. Just wanted to confirm this and to confirm this and to confirm this and make sure. Thank you. make sure. Thank you. make sure. Thank you. Yes, Yes, Yes, now it is targeted now it is targeted now it is targeted for November. This date has for November. This date has for November. This date has already been postponed twice already been postponed twice already been postponed twice . Hmm, I don't... we don't . Hmm, I don't... we don't know. We We We That's all know. We We We That's all know. We We We That's all we we we rely on rely on rely on external partners external partners external partners with whom we work with whom we work with whom we work to organize to organize to organize international events. international events. international events. But we want to do But we want to do But we want to do it in Shanghai. We want to it in Shanghai. We want to it in Shanghai. We want to bring bring bring American American American researchers and researchers and researchers and engineers to engineers to engineers to meet with their meet with their meet with their Chinese counterparts Chinese counterparts Chinese counterparts and exchange and exchange and exchange experiences, because I experiences, because I experiences, because I think that will think that will think that will at least give at least give at least give people a chance people a chance people a chance to understand who is on the to understand who is on the to understand who is on the other side. Hmm, I other side. Hmm, I other side. Hmm, I mean, it's mean, it's mean, it's good enough that they're good enough that they're good enough that they're coming here, but coming here, but coming here, but we have to do it the we have to do it the we have to do it the other way around too. I other way around too. I other way around too. I find it interesting that this is find it interesting that this is find it interesting that this is your first question.

your first question. your first question. You are considering that this is You are considering that this is You are considering that this is your first time at AIE. your first time at AIE. your first time at AIE. You have something else, you You have something else, you You have something else, you just want it to be just want it to be just want it to be in Shanghai. Is this your in Shanghai. Is this your in Shanghai. Is this your question? Okay, question? Okay, question? Okay, any other questions or any other questions or any other questions or feedback? We don't feedback? We don't feedback? We don't need to take up need to take up need to take up all the time. Yes. A. all the time. Yes. A. all the time. Yes. A. Hello. Hello. Greetings. Hmm, my name is Greetings. Hmm, my name is Alex. So, first of Alex. So, first of Alex. So, first of all, thank you for such a all, thank you for such a all, thank you for such a wonderful event. And, uh, this is my wonderful event. And, uh, this is my wonderful event. And, uh, this is my first time in first time in first time in artificial artificial artificial intelligence engineering, and it's intelligence engineering, and it's intelligence engineering, and it's really cool. Hmm, really cool. Hmm, really cool. Hmm, I really I really I really like the idea of ​​the like the idea of ​​the like the idea of ​​the leadership path, and there's some leadership path, and there's some leadership path, and there's some really cool stuff really cool stuff really cool stuff there. The only improvement there. The only improvement that I think would be that I think would be that I think would be really really really good is what we good is what we good is what we actually...experienced actually...experienced actually...experienced earlier this earlier this earlier this morning, is to have morning, is to have morning, is to have more free time more free time more free time for networking and for networking and for networking and sharing experiences between sharing experiences between sharing experiences between leaders. So, you leaders. So, you leaders. So, you already have a lot of great already have a lot of great already have a lot of great speakers like speakers like speakers like Nab, but with all this Nab, but with all this Nab, but with all this leadership, you also leadership, you also leadership, you also bring a lot of bring a lot of bring a lot of experience from a lot of experience from a lot of experience from a lot of companies. Having companies. Having companies. Having the opportunity to just the opportunity to just the opportunity to just share experiences share experiences share experiences with each other, and with each other, and with each other, and maybe have maybe have maybe have open sessions on open sessions on open sessions on topics like how the topics like how the topics like how the organization works, organization works, organization works, how you deal with the how you deal with the how you deal with the product, how you product, how you product, how you deal with deal with deal with design. I think that would be a design. I think that would be a design. I think that would be a great great great addition to this.

addition to this. addition to this. Just letting Just letting Just letting people share their people share their people share their experiences. experiences. experiences. Yes. Hmm, I agree, but Yes. Hmm, I agree, but Yes. Hmm, I agree, but I don't know if it's my I don't know if it's my I don't know if it's my top priority top priority top priority because people because people because people can still exchange can still exchange can still exchange contacts and contacts and contacts and meet up tomorrow. meet up tomorrow. Tomorrow is Friday. This is a Tomorrow is Friday. This is a holiday. And people holiday. And people holiday. And people can still meet. can still meet. can still meet. They don't need to They don't need to They don't need to meet here. Hmm, meet here. Hmm, meet here. Hmm, they also...There they also...There they also...There was also a leadership room was also a leadership room was also a leadership room where people could where people could where people could spend the whole day. spend the whole day. spend the whole day. It's basically like It's basically like It's basically like if you want to if you want to if you want to chat, you chat, you chat, you can just not go can just not go can just not go to the sessions. So, it's like to the sessions. So, it's like ... It's an open ... It's an open ... It's an open discussion, right? discussion, right? discussion, right? Is it like I shouldn't Is it like I shouldn't Is it like I shouldn't settle for settle for settle for the maximum, or should I the maximum, or should I use the time use the time and...Just not and...Just not and...Just not plan anything for this time plan anything for this time plan anything for this time and just let people and just let people and just let people talk? talk? talk? Or just give it a Or just give it a Or just give it a chance. chance. chance. Yes, that's exactly right. So, Yes, that's exactly right. So, Yes, that's exactly right. So, in my opinion, in my opinion, in my opinion, the ability to skip the ability to skip the ability to skip sessions sessions sessions is built into everything in EIE. Is is built into everything in EIE. Is is built into everything in EIE. Is n't that right? You can n't that right? You can n't that right? You can just not go to anything just not go to anything just not go to anything and just and just and just talk. And many talk. And many talk. And many people do that. people do that. So then So then the question is, "Okay, I the question is, "Okay, I the question is, "Okay, I think you have your own think you have your own think you have your own free will and free will and free will and autonomy to do all of autonomy to do all of autonomy to do all of this. You have the space, this. You have the space, this. You have the space, the hall to do it.

the hall to do it. the hall to do it. So what else am I So what else am I So what else am I optimizing for? I'm just optimizing for? I'm just optimizing for? I'm just optimizing to optimizing to optimizing to get get get the best speakers and the best speakers and the best speakers and content online so that content online so that content online so that everyone can everyone can everyone can benefit online. So I'm benefit online. So I'm benefit online. So I'm just giving them the space just giving them the space . And sometimes people . And sometimes people . And sometimes people speak in halls speak in halls speak in halls that aren't 80% full that aren't 80% full . That's okay, because . That's okay, because . That's okay, because they're getting their they're getting their they're getting their stuff out. They're stuff out. They're stuff out. They're spreading the story. spreading the story. spreading the story. Sometimes it's really, really Sometimes it's really, really Sometimes it's really, really good. And I see that good. And I see that good. And I see that working working working much better online than much better online than much better online than in person." Um, then I in person." Um, then I in person." Um, then I say, "Okay, I'd say, "Okay, I'd say, "Okay, I'd rather have that than rather have that than rather have that than leave it leave it leave it empty, where we're empty, where we're empty, where we're paying for the paying for the paying for the space and not space and not space and not using it using it ." But I understand this ." But I understand this ." But I understand this point of view. I would say point of view. I would say that, um, in terms of that, um, in terms of that, um, in terms of summits, or, summits, or, summits, or, for example, in London, for example, in London, for example, in London, um, there was no separate um, there was no separate um, there was no separate leadership direction. leadership direction. leadership direction. There were, in fact, dinners There were, in fact, dinners There were, in fact, dinners for leaders. And the lunches for leaders. And the lunches for leaders. And the lunches were really good were really good were really good because we had, because we had, because we had, essentially, a 5-10 minute essentially, a 5-10 minute essentially, a 5-10 minute guided discussion guided discussion . And for the rest of the hour, we . And for the rest of the hour, we . And for the rest of the hour, we just chatted just chatted just chatted at the tables between at the tables between at the tables between different topics. And we different topics. And we different topics. And we focused the conversation focused the conversation focused the conversation on three topics that on three topics that on three topics that we were training we were training we were training people on. Um, and it was people on. Um, and it was people on. Um, and it was very well very well very well considered. Um, people considered. Um, people considered. Um, people said we should said we should said we should bring it back.

bring it back. bring it back. We didn't We didn't We didn't do that this time. Um, but, I do that this time. Um, but, I do that this time. Um, but, I think for summits think for summits think for summits we can definitely we can definitely we can definitely do that. do that. do that. Can I give Can I give Can I give tactical feedback on the tactical feedback on the tactical feedback on the mobile app mobile app mobile app if you can add a if you can add a if you can add a filter by filter by filter by location, uh, to location, uh, to location, uh, to filter out the booth filter out the booth , like if you're , like if you're , like if you're looking for an looking for an looking for an agenda or something agenda or something agenda or something like that? like that? like that? A. Er, er, a A. Er, er, a A. Er, er, a very tactical very tactical very tactical detail. detail. detail. Um, if, if I...I Um, if, if I...I Um, if, if I...I guess not...You're guess not...You're guess not...You're talking about a talking about a talking about a specialized specialized specialized mobile app, mobile app, mobile app, right? right? right? Yes, a specialized Yes, a specialized Yes, a specialized mobile. mobile. mobile. So if I think about it, it will So if I think about it, it will So if I think about it, it will disappear next disappear next disappear next year. And we'll just year. And we'll just year. And we'll just make a web app. make a web app. Um, as a separate thing. Um, Um, as a separate thing. Um, I mean, I... I I mean, I... I I mean, I... I hope this hope this hope this is useful for is useful for is useful for people, because I would like to people, because I would like to people, because I would like to have this, because have this, because have this, because then I can then I can then I can use use any filter for the any filter for the any filter for the Vibe code. Um, I don't know. Um, Vibe code. Um, I don't know. Um, Vibe code. Um, I don't know. Um, yes, we want to yes, we want to yes, we want to get rid of this get rid of this get rid of this supplier. supplier. supplier. Yes, to be honest, this Yes, to be honest, this Yes, to be honest, this app is nonsense app is nonsense . Um, . Um, . Um, which one exactly? which one exactly? which one exactly? Well, a mobile app Well, a mobile app . He... . He... . He... Oh, okay. Some people Oh, okay. Some people Oh, okay. Some people say they say they say they liked it.

liked it. liked it. Because, for example, Because, for example, Because, for example, it doesn't filter like in it doesn't filter like in it doesn't filter like in previous sessions. You previous sessions. You previous sessions. You have to scroll have to scroll have to scroll down, down, down, I mean...Yeah, I mean...Yeah, I mean...Yeah, yeah. This is tough. yeah. This is tough. yeah. This is tough. OK. No, that's why I OK. No, that's why I OK. No, that's why I resisted creating an resisted creating an resisted creating an app for us, even though app for us, even though app for us, even though we know how to we know how to we know how to program. I program. I program. I resisted creating resisted creating resisted creating an app for a long time because an app for a long time because an app for a long time because they're all terrible, they're all terrible, they're all terrible, right? So really the right? So really the right? So really the only app only app only app you like is the one you like is the one you like is the one you created. you created. you created. So why don't I just So why don't I just So why don't I just publish all publish all publish all my JSON files, right? And my JSON files, right? And my JSON files, right? And then go full throttle. then go full throttle. then go full throttle. So there was nothing stopping So there was nothing stopping So there was nothing stopping you from writing your own you from writing your own you from writing your own stuff using Vibe, stuff using Vibe, stuff using Vibe, because the data was because the data was because the data was open all the time. open all the time. open all the time. We have MCP and CLI. And, um, We have MCP and CLI. And, um, We have MCP and CLI. And, um, people, some did it, people, some did it, people, some did it, some didn't. But you some didn't. But you some didn't. But you could always, if there could always, if there could always, if there was a was a was a conference where you conference where you conference where you could write your own could write your own could write your own apps apps apps using Vibe, this would be using Vibe, this would be using Vibe, this would be it. So why it. So why it. So why not? Eh, I not? Eh, I not? Eh, I mean, but obviously mean, but obviously mean, but obviously we have to we have to we have to provide a good provide a good provide a good standard option. standard option. standard option. And so next And so next And so next year I want to take year I want to take year I want to take control of it, because I control of it, because I control of it, because I think I finally think I finally think I finally understand what we understand what we understand what we need to show need to show need to show people. Oh, and it people. Oh, and it people. Oh, and it took me 3 years took me 3 years took me 3 years to study this to study this to study this problem. Because my problem. Because my problem. Because my sample is not that sample is not that sample is not that large. This is only the large. This is only the large. This is only the seventh AIE.

seventh AIE. The game is really cool. The game is really cool. Game application. Um, Game application. Um, Game application. Um, people, people, people, a lot of people asked what a lot of people asked what a lot of people asked what you were talking about. you were talking about. you were talking about. When will we hear your When will we hear your When will we hear your keynote address? keynote address? keynote address? When will we ask you to When will we ask you to When will we ask you to speak online? speak online? speak online? When will we hear your When will we hear your When will we hear your thoughts? Yesterday, thoughts? Yesterday, thoughts? Yesterday, Tuesday, I gave the Tuesday, I gave the Tuesday, I gave the keynote address. keynote address. And And you? I thought I didn't know you? I thought I didn't know . I was quite . I was quite . I was quite pleased with my pleased with my pleased with my keynote speech. keynote speech. keynote speech. Basically, the idea Basically, the idea Basically, the idea was for was for was for everyone to do cycles. Oh, everyone to do cycles. Oh, everyone to do cycles. Oh, look at this. Everyone's look at this. Everyone's look at this. Everyone's doing cycles, and, um, doing cycles, and, um, doing cycles, and, um, excuse me, I, I think it's excuse me, I, I think it's excuse me, I, I think it's very distracting. very distracting. This is just part of, This is just part of, you know, the content you know, the content you know, the content that's in the CLI. that's in the CLI. that's in the CLI. Yes, okay. This is what is Yes, okay. This is what is Yes, okay. This is what is needed for the needed for the needed for the schedule. schedule. schedule. So only Opus decided So only Opus decided So only Opus decided to do an automatic to do an automatic to do an automatic tour so I didn't have to tour so I didn't have to touch it, and it touch it, and it goes through all the goes through all the goes through all the reports. Um, okay, reports. Um, okay, reports. Um, okay, so, um, yeah, my so, um, yeah, my so, um, yeah, my reports. I don't know. reports. I don't know. reports. I don't know. I have a podcast. I I have a podcast. I I have a podcast. I don't need to don't need to don't need to speak. speak.

Um, yeah, another Um, yeah, another point I point I point I just thought of is that just thought of is that just thought of is that group workshops are group workshops are group workshops are really cool, but really cool, but really cool, but sometimes 20 minutes is just sometimes 20 minutes is just sometimes 20 minutes is just not enough to not enough to not enough to get through anything substantial. get through anything substantial. get through anything substantial. Um, and I think the Um, and I think the Um, and I think the workshops themselves are really workshops themselves are really workshops themselves are really good because you good because you good because you had an actual hour had an actual hour had an actual hour to see what it to see what it to see what it actually looks like actually looks like actually looks like in practice, as in practice, as in practice, as opposed to opposed to opposed to one vendor one vendor one vendor saying, yeah, we have this saying, yeah, we have this saying, yeah, we have this app and here's what it app and here's what it app and here's what it can do and it's can do and it's can do and it's just really high- just really high- just really high- level. So if they level. So if they level. So if they could consider a could consider a could consider a mix of durations, um mix of durations, um ... ... ... You know, we You know, we You know, we mixed them up, right? We mixed them up, right? We mixed them up, right? We really did it. really did it. really did it. Okay, nothing Okay, nothing Okay, nothing I've been on has been I've been on has been I've been on has been long. long. long. Yes, yes. I mean, it Yes, yes. I mean, it Yes, yes. I mean, it wasn't that obvious, wasn't that obvious, wasn't that obvious, but, um...it's up but, um...it's up but, um...it's up to to to me. Yes, me. Yes, me. Yes, no, everything is fine. no, everything is fine. no, everything is fine. I just know everything, right? Um, I just know everything, right? Um, I just know everything, right? Um, so there was a so there was a so there was a schedule of seminars every day. schedule of seminars every day. So today's So today's workshop, where people workshop, where people workshop, where people have about two have about two have about two consecutive sessions. This consecutive sessions. This consecutive sessions. This lasts 45 minutes. Uh, and lasts 45 minutes. Uh, and lasts 45 minutes. Uh, and then every day then every day then every day there was a there was a there was a seminar room where, if seminar room where, if seminar room where, if you had longer you had longer you had longer content, I would content, I would content, I would provide it to you. So this is a seminar.

provide it to you. So this is a seminar. provide it to you. So this is a seminar. This is actually the fourth This is actually the fourth This is actually the fourth room where room where room where the seminars were held the seminars were held . Um, so it was every day . Um, so it was every day . Um, so it was every day , but a lot of , but a lot of , but a lot of people just people just people just give presentations. give presentations. give presentations. So, I did, um, So, I did, um, So, I did, um, one of the three or one of the three or one of the three or four sources of four sources of four sources of inspiration for AIE–it's inspiration for AIE–it's inspiration for AIE–it's GDC, Game Dev Con. GDC GDC, Game Dev Con. GDC GDC, Game Dev Con. GDC is hosting many is hosting many is hosting many hour-long workshops covering hour-long workshops covering hour-long workshops covering everything everything everything related to creating the related to creating the related to creating the web in web in Spider-Man 4. And they Spider-Man 4. And they Spider-Man 4. And they do, and that's do, and that's do, and that's usually what you usually what you usually what you do in do in do in seminar seminar seminar rooms like this. Others rooms like this. Others rooms like this. Others will be more will be more will be more rapid, like rapid, like rapid, like lightning-fast lightning-fast lightning-fast communication. I would communication. I would communication. I would say that attention, um, say that attention, um, say that attention, um, attention online on YouTube attention online on YouTube attention online on YouTube is getting shorter in is getting shorter in is getting shorter in terms of terms of attention span. attention span. So, honestly, So, honestly, So, honestly, getting people getting people getting people to squeeze in 20 minutes is to squeeze in 20 minutes is pretty good. And pretty good. And pretty good. And we have a full day of we have a full day of we have a full day of workshops, 10 workshops, 10 workshops, 10 workshop day tracks on the first workshop day tracks on the first workshop day tracks on the first day, and three day, and three day, and three workshop rooms workshop rooms workshop rooms for the remaining days. for the remaining days. for the remaining days. I feel like that's I feel like that's I feel like that's enough. Hmm, you know, enough. Hmm, you know, enough. Hmm, you know, maybe it could be maybe it could be maybe it could be up or down or up or up or down or up or up or down or up or down, but we have something.

down, but we have something. Yes, I want people to Yes, I want people to delve deeper. delve deeper. Many people don't have , don't deserve , don't deserve , don't deserve this time, but they this time, but they this time, but they want it. That's why I do want it. That's why I do want it. That's why I do n't give it to them. n't give it to them. Hey, um, thanks a lot Hey, um, thanks a lot for for for organizing. It was organizing. It was organizing. It was really great. Regarding really great. Regarding really great. Regarding all these tracks, will they all these tracks, will they all these tracks, will they all be on YouTube? all be on YouTube? all be on YouTube? Was all of this recorded? Was all of this recorded? Was all of this recorded? Yes, the Yes, the Yes, the only one. only one. only one. Yes. And then, maybe Yes. And then, maybe Yes. And then, maybe this has already been asked, this has already been asked, this has already been asked, but in terms of but in terms of but in terms of continuity, but continuity, but continuity, but if there is a track, if there is a track, if there is a track, say, visual and say, visual and say, visual and optical optical optical text recognition text recognition , is there an attempt to make , is there an attempt to make , is there an attempt to make it, um, it, um, it, um, continuous, or, continuous, or, continuous, or, for example, is there sometimes a for example, is there sometimes a for example, is there sometimes a repetition of topics between repetition of topics between repetition of topics between subsequent speakers subsequent speakers ? And obviously, if you're ? And obviously, if you're ? And obviously, if you're going for, you know, the going for, you know, the going for, you know, the YouTube experience, maybe the YouTube experience, maybe the YouTube experience, maybe the best experience best experience best experience would be to make it would be to make it would be to make it self-contained in 25 self-contained in 25 self-contained in 25 minutes, but how do you minutes, but how do you minutes, but how do you imagine imagine imagine weaving a common weaving a common weaving a common thread into a 4-hour thread into a 4-hour thread into a 4-hour block? block? block? Um, that's what we do. I Um, that's what we do. I Um, that's what we do. I would, um, at previous AIEs would, um, at previous AIEs would, um, at previous AIEs I would do it manually, I would do it manually, I would do it manually, trying to trying to trying to consistently merge consistently merge consistently merge and group topics and group topics and group topics together. Um, Giselle was here together. Um, Giselle was here together. Um, Giselle was here . She was in the . She was in the . She was in the MCP block of the MCP block of the MCP block of the engineering competition track engineering competition track , right? They are all MCPs , right? They are all MCPs , and I have built them into a , and I have built them into a , and I have built them into a sequence so that sequence so that sequence so that they seem to flow they seem to flow they seem to flow into each other, because I into each other, because I into each other, because I know the content of each know the content of each know the content of each individual report. Um, individual report. Um, individual report. Um, sometimes it's just sometimes it's just sometimes it's just not possible if not possible if not possible if the speaker can't come the speaker can't come the speaker can't come in the morning. He has a in the morning. He has a in the morning. He has a job. What are you job. What are you job. What are you going to do?

going to do? going to do? So you So you So you try really, really hard to have this try really, really hard to have this try really, really hard to have this flawless beautiful flawless beautiful flawless beautiful schedule, and then schedule, and then schedule, and then people have lives. Yes, it's people have lives. Yes, it's people have lives. Yes, it's very annoying. I very annoying. I very annoying. I need them to have no need them to have no need them to have no life. I life. I life. I need them to need them to need them to just come just come just come here and do just here and do just here and do just that. But, unfortunately, this is that. But, unfortunately, this is that. But, unfortunately, this is simply unrealistic. Um, simply unrealistic. Um, simply unrealistic. Um, so, you know, we, we, we're so, you know, we, we, we're so, you know, we, we, we're basically basically basically trying trying trying to optimize, but I to optimize, but I to optimize, but I think you're right think you're right think you're right that YouTube is a separate that YouTube is a separate that YouTube is a separate format for format for format for optimization. I can optimization. I can optimization. I can create a narrative create a narrative create a narrative with my playlist with my playlist with my playlist that I customize for that I customize for that I customize for each track that no each track that no each track that no one else one else one else uses. So I uses. So I uses. So I do it, but Eric is do it, but Eric is do it, but Eric is second. second. second. Yes. Um, I'm really Yes. Um, I'm really Yes. Um, I'm really grateful for the new grateful for the new grateful for the new engineering orientation engineering orientation engineering orientation this year, this year, this year, CEO CEO . I wasn't the last. Did . I wasn't the last. Did . I wasn't the last. Did you like it? you like it? you like it? Yes, but I Yes, but I Yes, but I think it could have been think it could have been think it could have been more thorough. more thorough. Hmm, that implied Hmm, that implied a few a few a few highlights, but the highlights, but the highlights, but the next day I next day I next day I still wasn't sure still wasn't sure still wasn't sure if there would be lunch or how to if there would be lunch or how to if there would be lunch or how to manage the schedule, manage the schedule, manage the schedule, etc. So, you know, etc. So, you know, etc. So, you know, again, again, again, we can we can we can improve on that.

improve on that. improve on that. In the context of everything, In the context of everything, In the context of everything, great, but there was great, but there was great, but there was one thing that was one thing that was one thing that was still a little, still a little, still a little, um, like I wouldn't um, like I wouldn't um, like I wouldn't mind getting mind getting mind getting more information by more information by more information by Monday morning. Monday morning. Monday morning. I think this again I think this again I think this again ties into the ties into the ties into the previous previous previous comment that comment that comment that we won't be growing next year we won't be growing next year we won't be growing next year . We . We . We will see the same will see the same will see the same venue, the venue, the venue, the same place, the same same place, the same same place, the same time, everything the same. So time, everything the same. So time, everything the same. So we have a year to we have a year to we have a year to prepare. prepare. prepare. Yes. Yes. Yes. And now we have 7,000 people And now we have 7,000 people who have gone through this who have gone through this . . . Yes. Yes. Yes. So, hmm, I think So, hmm, I think So, hmm, I think we just need to we just need to we just need to optimize our optimize our optimize our processes. This year, processes. This year, processes. This year, my team just my team just my team just tried tried tried to organize the to organize the to organize the days themselves. Having an days themselves. Having an days themselves. Having an additional additional additional workload for the workload for the workload for the NEO organization was, NEO organization was, NEO organization was, you know, a task that you know, a task that you know, a task that I think I I think I I think I underestimated. I really underestimated. I really underestimated. I really wanted more wanted more wanted more adaptation, but adaptation, but adaptation, but instead it became instead it became instead it became more networking. And more networking. And more networking. And that's okay. It's that's okay. It's that's okay. It's just not a complete just not a complete just not a complete adaptation. We had a adaptation. We had a participant guide that we put together participant guide that we put together . I don't think . I don't think . I don't think most people most people most people have seen it. He is online. have seen it. He is online. have seen it. He is online. Good. Yes, I didn't Good. Yes, I didn't Good. Yes, I didn't see that. see that. see that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, again. Yes, again. Yes, again. We send a lot of We send a lot of We send a lot of emails and emails and emails and not everyone reads them.

not everyone reads them. not everyone reads them. Yes. No, I mean, it's a Yes. No, I mean, it's a tiny... tiny... tiny... No, I know...I...I...I No, I know...I...I...I No, I know...I...I...I appreciate it, and I appreciate it, and I appreciate it, and I mean, uh, you know, mean, uh, you know, mean, uh, you know, Justin's a Justin's a Justin's a newbie over there, and I...I'm newbie over there, and I...I'm newbie over there, and I...I'm sure he could sure he could sure he could use some better use some better use some better adaptive training adaptive training . I don't know if you've been . I don't know if you've been . I don't know if you've been to our NEO. Were there to our NEO. Were there to our NEO. Were there any new engineers any new engineers any new engineers on induction on induction on induction training? Yes, no? training? Yes, no? training? Yes, no? Were you there? Yes. Er, I mean, er Were you there? Yes. Er, I mean, er , NEO came out of this , NEO came out of this , NEO came out of this feedback session feedback session feedback session at the last at the last at the last conference. conference. conference. Right? And then we Right? And then we Right? And then we thought, "Okay, so what? thought, "Okay, so what? thought, "Okay, so what? We've gone from We've gone from We've gone from zero orientation zero orientation zero orientation to little." And I to little." And I to little." And I think the next one think the next one think the next one will be much better. will be much better. will be much better. But yeah, I...uh, I didn't But yeah, I...uh, I didn't But yeah, I...uh, I didn't know the answers to know the answers to know the answers to some of the questions that some of the questions that some of the questions that you, uh, had you, uh, had you, uh, had questions for. So, uh, it's a questions for. So, uh, it's a questions for. So, uh, it's a process of discovery, I process of discovery, I process of discovery, I guess. guess. Yes. Just one Yes. Just one small comment. So small comment. So small comment. So thank you. thank you. thank you. Yes. Yes. Kevin, I want you to Kevin, I want you to say something, Andy. You've say something, Andy. You've say something, Andy. You've been to many of been to many of been to many of them. them. them. So, uh, what's up... So, uh, what's up... Sorry, I joined Sorry, I joined Sorry, I joined late. So maybe late. So maybe late. So maybe it's it's it's F&B...Yes. F&B...Yes. F&B...Yes. Right, right. Right, right. Right, right. Maybe some of Maybe some of Maybe some of the questions or some of the the questions or some of the the questions or some of the things I'm pointing out have things I'm pointing out have things I'm pointing out have already been pointed out.

already been pointed out. already been pointed out. I'm very sorry about that. Uh I'm very sorry about that. Uh , but it kind of , but it kind of , but it kind of goes back to one goes back to one goes back to one of the things that I have, which is that of the things that I have, which is that of the things that I have, which is that I I I feel like there were feel like there were feel like there were so many talks so many talks so many talks and so many interesting and so many interesting and so many interesting sessions that I wanted to be sessions that I wanted to be sessions that I wanted to be in that at some in that at some in that at some point I just point I just point I just gave up. I'm like, " gave up. I'm like, " Okay, I can just Okay, I can just Okay, I can just watch them at home." watch them at home." watch them at home." Yes. Yes. Yes. And, uh, that makes sense in part And, uh, that makes sense in part And, uh, that makes sense in part , of course. I , of course. I , of course. I like that I like that I like that I can't be in two can't be in two can't be in two places at once. places at once. places at once. Yes. Yes. Yes. Eh, it was going to Eh, it was going to Eh, it was going to happen anyway. happen anyway. happen anyway. Yes. Yes. Yes. But I really But I really But I really enjoy enjoy enjoy talking to the talking to the talking to the speaker afterwards. speaker afterwards. speaker afterwards. Yes. Yes. Yes. The opportunity to ask The opportunity to ask The opportunity to ask questions and learn questions and learn questions and learn more about it. And so more about it. And so more about it. And so I feel like I'm I feel like I'm I feel like I'm losing it. And it's like, losing it. And it's like, losing it. And it's like, "Okay, I'm "Okay, I'm "Okay, I'm already missing two already missing two already missing two talks, so why talks, so why talks, so why not just stay not just stay not just stay in the exhibit hall?" in the exhibit hall?" in the exhibit hall?" Why not skip Why not skip Why not skip them all? them all? them all? Right. Why not Right. Why not Right. Why not skip them all? It's skip them all? It's skip them all? It's like I have to like I have to like I have to sit down and watch them sit down and watch them sit down and watch them about twice as about twice as about twice as often when I'm at home. often when I'm at home. often when I'm at home. So that's okay. So So that's okay. So So that's okay. So it's one of those things it's one of those things it's one of those things where it would be nice to where it would be nice to where it would be nice to have a little more of them, have a little more of them, have a little more of them, maybe a little less, right? maybe a little less, right? maybe a little less, right? But of higher quality or But of higher quality or But of higher quality or something like that. I don't something like that. I don't something like that. I don't know. The quality was know. The quality was know. The quality was good. That's the thing good. That's the thing . Uh, just like that, I . Uh, just like that, I . Uh, just like that, I felt felt felt overwhelmed, if overwhelmed, if overwhelmed, if that makes sense. that makes sense. that makes sense. So, uh, I think what So, uh, I think what I'm hearing is anxiety, I'm hearing is anxiety, I'm hearing is anxiety, right? FOMO, anxiety. And that's what right? FOMO, anxiety. And that's what right? FOMO, anxiety. And that's what I want to I want to I want to deal with. At the same time, deal with. At the same time, deal with. At the same time, it is also a it is also a it is also a high-end problem. We high-end problem. We high-end problem. We have an embarrassment of riches.

have an embarrassment of riches. have an embarrassment of riches. We live in the golden We live in the golden We live in the golden age of artificial age of artificial age of artificial intelligence, and we have, intelligence, and we have, intelligence, and we have, you know, too much food you know, too much food you know, too much food on the table. Oh no. Um, on the table. Oh no. Um, on the table. Oh no. Um, you know, food doesn't you know, food doesn't you know, food doesn't spoil. It is spoil. It is spoil. It is available online on available online on available online on YouTube. Uh, again, YouTube. Uh, again, YouTube. Uh, again, it's important to me, it's important to me, it's important to me, but is it the but is it the but is it the most important thing to most important thing to most important thing to me? Probably not, me? Probably not, me? Probably not, because I think because I think because I think you have you have you have coping mechanisms that you do a coping mechanisms that you do a coping mechanisms that you do a great job with. great job with. great job with. Yes. Yes. Yes. Uh, we have other Uh, we have other Uh, we have other AI formats AI formats AI formats where there's no, there's where there's no, there's where there's no, there's just one track. just one track. just one track. Right. Right. Right. That's what a summit is. This is That's what a summit is. This is That's what a summit is. This is just one track. So you just one track. So you just one track. So you can attend can attend can attend the track or not the track or not the track or not . There is . There is . There is no other track. And I think it's no other track. And I think it's very simple. Uh very simple. Uh , this isn't the World's , this isn't the World's , this isn't the World's Fair. The World's Fair. The World's Fair. The World's Fair is a big Fair is a big Fair is a big show. show. show. Of course. Of course. Of course. And we want to create a And we want to create a And we want to create a space for everyone to space for everyone to space for everyone to show their show their show their best work of the year. best work of the year. best work of the year. And if they want to And if they want to And if they want to get to a more get to a more get to a more specialized specialized specialized summit, they summit, they summit, they can too, they can, but this is where can too, they can, but this is where can too, they can, but this is where everyone everyone everyone shows their shows their shows their best stuff. best stuff. best stuff. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. What else can I say about What else can I say about What else can I say about this? Um, and this? Um, and this? Um, and you know, if we were you know, if we were you know, if we were covering finance covering finance , real estate, , real estate, , real estate, healthcare or healthcare or healthcare or something like that, that's something like that, that's something like that, that's fine. We fine. We fine. We cover the cover the cover the fastest fastest fastest growing industries. So you growing industries. So you growing industries. So you must be a little must be a little uncomfortable.

uncomfortable. Right. So, if Right. So, if Right. So, if you are completely you are completely you are completely comfortable, you comfortable, you comfortable, you probably won't be pressured. probably won't be pressured. probably won't be pressured. Right. You probably fall Right. You probably fall Right. You probably fall asleep during asleep during asleep during performances. performances. performances. Yes. Yes. Yes. Quite right. And Quite right. And Quite right. And then I don't know if then I don't know if then I don't know if anyone touched the anyone touched the anyone touched the application itself. application itself. application itself. Um, there were a few Um, there were a few Um, there were a few comments. Um, do you comments. Um, do you comments. Um, do you like him or not like him or not like him or not ? ? ? Um, I have mixed Um, I have mixed Um, I have mixed feelings. So, there is...Yes, feelings. So, there is...Yes, feelings. So, there is...Yes, I...can't say I...can't say I...can't say I'm completely I'm completely I'm completely satisfied. No, I won't satisfied. No, I won't satisfied. No, I won't lie. And of lie. And of lie. And of course I'm going to course I'm going to course I'm going to point out all the point out all the point out all the flaws, but flaws, but flaws, but keeping it in keeping it in keeping it in context... context... context... For the most part, it For the most part, it For the most part, it worked. worked. worked. For the most part, it For the most part, it For the most part, it worked. That's right. worked. That's right. worked. That's right. Yes, yes. But Yes, yes. But Yes, yes. But things like, for example, things like, for example, things like, for example, on Android, it crashed a few on Android, it crashed a few on Android, it crashed a few times times times . It's . It's . It's just that if you just that if you just that if you log in and then log in and then log in and then log out and log out and log out and try to try to try to log in again, at least log in again, at least log in again, at least for me it just for me it just for me it just crashed crashed crashed , yeah, yeah, for no , yeah, yeah, for no , yeah, yeah, for no reason. Um, if you reason. Um, if you reason. Um, if you go into the story go into the story go into the story to view to view to view the details of this conversation the details of this conversation the details of this conversation and then go back and then go back and then go back , you get a , you get a , you get a loading screen loading screen loading screen for a few seconds. for a few seconds. for a few seconds. Yes. Yes. Yes. Which is correct. Oh, I didn't Which is correct. Oh, I didn't Which is correct. Oh, I didn't do that, he didn't do that, he didn't do that, he didn't jump up jump up jump up for me. Holy God, for me. Holy God, for me. Holy God, this is even worse. But I don't this is even worse. But I don't this is even worse. But I don't know what is know what is know what is being loaded. being loaded. being loaded. This jumps over for you This jumps over for you This jumps over for you , you , you , you lose your lose your lose your position in the larynx. position in the larynx. position in the larynx. Good. Good. Um, Good. Good. Um, Good. Good. Um, sometimes you also sometimes you also sometimes you also get a get a get a loading screen when you loading screen when you loading screen when you just scroll down, just scroll down, just scroll down, which I guess is like which I guess is like which I guess is like getting getting getting more more more stories from the stories from the stories from the server, but it's like, server, but it's like, server, but it's like, can't I can't I can't I pre-do pre-do pre-do this while I'm scrolling? This this while I'm scrolling? This this while I'm scrolling? This feels like 2015 feels like 2015 feels like 2015 .

. . We, we, we. Yes. Good. We, we, we. Yes. Good. We, we, we. Yes. Good. But keep going. But keep going. But keep going. Good. Yes, yes, yes. Good. Yes, yes, yes. Good. Yes, yes, yes. So, um, my So, um, my So, um, my schedule screen, um, I expect schedule screen, um, I expect it to be very it to be very it to be very similar to a regular similar to a regular similar to a regular schedule, like a schedule, like a schedule, like a filtered filtered filtered version of the event, but I version of the event, but I version of the event, but I can still search. I can still search. I can still search. I can still can still can still filter. I filter. I filter. I can't do this. can't do this. can't do this. Not only that, Not only that, you scroll through the My Schedule tab from you scroll through the My Schedule tab from you scroll through the My Schedule tab from the top, like the top, like the top, like you've been doing since you've been doing since you've been doing since day one, even day one, even day one, even if all the other if all the other if all the other reports are already reports are already reports are already over, you'll over, you'll over, you'll still have to still have to still have to scroll through them all to scroll through them all to scroll through them all to get to get to get to today. today. today. Although it doesn't Although it doesn't Although it doesn't happen happen happen regularly like the regularly like the regularly like the "All Sessions" tab. "All Sessions" tab. "All Sessions" tab. Good. Yes. Do Good. Yes. Do Good. Yes. Do you want me to you want me to you want me to continue? continue? continue? Yes, I want to. Because all of Yes, I want to. Because all of Yes, I want to. Because all of this goes directly this goes directly this goes directly to my team so to my team so to my team so we can fix it we can fix it we can fix it next time. next time. next time. Perfectly. Perfectly. Um, Perfectly. Perfectly. Um, Perfectly. Perfectly. Um, you can't you can't you can't save current save current save current sessions to your sessions to your sessions to your schedule. So if there's schedule. So if there's schedule. So if there's a few a few a few live events happening live events happening , and it happened to me, , and it happened to me, , and it happened to me, I'm like, "Okay, I'm like, "Okay, I'm like, "Okay, let me see let me see let me see what happens next." And so it what happens next." And so it what happens next." And so it happened that 1 happened that 1 happened that 1 minute passed, you know, after the minute passed, you know, after the minute passed, you know, after the time was up. And that's why time was up. And that's why time was up. And that's why I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't keep it. So it's like, keep it. So it's like, keep it. So it's like, "Okay, once you "Okay, once you "Okay, once you get to these two get to these two , let me , let me , let me keep one and keep one and keep one and move on to the other one." And I move on to the other one." And I move on to the other one." And I couldn't do it. couldn't do it. couldn't do it. Um, then there's also no Um, then there's also no Um, then there's also no sync between the sync between the sync between the website and the app website and the app . I can't access the . I can't access the . I can't access the Internet. So if I were to Internet. So if I were to Internet. So if I were to go to the schedule, go to the schedule, go to the schedule, because they have different because they have different because they have different code bases, yes.

code bases, yes. code bases, yes. Right. Right. It would be Right. Right. It would be Right. Right. It would be great to have one great to have one great to have one so I could see so I could see so I could see everything regardless of the everything regardless of the everything regardless of the UI UI UI . . . Yes. It's Yes. It's Yes. It's just great to have. just great to have. just great to have. As for the stands, it As for the stands, it As for the stands, it simply says " simply says " stand". stand". stand". Oh, there's no name there? Oh, there's no name there? Oh, there's no name there? Yes, it just Yes, it just Yes, it just says the name of what says the name of what says the name of what they do. they do. they do. Then on the Then on the Then on the calendar icon I see...There's calendar icon I see...There's calendar icon I see...There's no address there. stand... no address there. stand... stand. stand. stand. And it's something like: " And it's something like: " Okay." And so some Okay." And so some Okay." And so some of them are in the message of them are in the message of them are in the message when you click " when you click " when you click " Yes". Yes, Yes". Yes, Yes". Yes, they went so far as to they went so far as to say, "Okay, say, "Okay, say, "Okay, we're on the stand, blah blah we're on the stand, blah blah blah. This is our company blah. This is our company ." But some don't. So it's ." But some don't. So it's ." But some don't. So it's like, "Oh, we're like, "Oh, we're like, "Oh, we're doing this." And it's doing this." And it's doing this." And it's like, "But where?" You like, "But where?" You like, "But where?" You just don't know. just don't know. just don't know. There is no way There is no way There is no way to know. Yes, that's what to know. Yes, that's what to know. Yes, that's what I noticed. And then I noticed. And then I noticed. And then I noticed that there I noticed that there I noticed that there were were were chat and question and chat and question and chat and question and answer features in the details. That's very answer features in the details. That's very answer features in the details. That's very good, but I don't think good, but I don't think good, but I don't think anyone has ever anyone has ever ... ... ... Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, used them. used them. used them. So maybe something So maybe something So maybe something can just be can just be can just be deleted. Um, then the deleted. Um, then the deleted. Um, then the filters themselves aren't that filters themselves aren't that filters themselves aren't that cool, because when you cool, because when you cool, because when you open the filters, open the filters, open the filters, they just, I think, they just, I think, they just, I think, load up like a load up like a load up like a lot of other lot of other lot of other companies. And so for companies. And so for companies. And so for you, it's actually...

you, it's actually... you, it's actually... It's unoptimized, It's unoptimized, It's unoptimized, yes. Yes. Yes. yes. Yes. Yes. yes. Yes. Yes. Em. And then maybe it would be Em. And then maybe it would be Em. And then maybe it would be nice to have a nice to have a nice to have a selection system, but selection system, but selection system, but this is really good to have. this is really good to have. this is really good to have. Something like I'm Something like I'm Something like I'm interested in seeing people who are like interested in seeing people who are like interested in seeing people who are like me and I me and I me and I want to potentially want to potentially want to potentially talk to them, or talk to them, or talk to them, or I want to meet I want to meet I want to meet more more more founders, or I founders, or I founders, or I want to maybe want to maybe want to maybe meet meet meet people from big people from big people from big tech tech tech companies. Something like these are companies. Something like these are companies. Something like these are recommended recommended recommended people you could people you could people you could talk to. In the talk to. In the talk to. In the Leadership section, Leadership section, Leadership section, there was a prototype of, essentially, there was a prototype of, essentially, there was a prototype of, essentially, our our our recruiting system that we recruiting system that we recruiting system that we created. Um, we created. Um, we created. Um, we created a Facebook where we created a Facebook where we created a Facebook where we deeply researched deeply researched deeply researched every member every member every member who was involved in who was involved in who was involved in leadership. Um, and they leadership. Um, and they leadership. Um, and they sent it out. Hmm, I sent it out. Hmm, I sent it out. Hmm, I want to want to want to invest more in this invest more in this invest more in this area because I've seen area because I've seen area because I've seen it work at other it work at other it work at other conferences. I've conferences. I've conferences. I've never seen the never seen the never seen the chat working. Um, yes, chat working. Um, yes, chat working. Um, yes, I agree with you again. I agree with you again. I agree with you again. In short, this is an In short, this is an In short, this is an exit move. There's an exit move. There's an exit move. There's an outside outside outside supplier that supplier that supplier that we acquired, uh, and we acquired, uh, and we acquired, uh, and next year I next year I next year I want to rip it out and want to rip it out and want to rip it out and make my own. make my own. make my own. Of course. Of course. Of course. Right. So, um, Right. So, um, Right. So, um, as far as you can see, as far as you can see, as far as you can see, uh, the website, this one uh, the website, this one uh, the website, this one is controlled by me. is controlled by me. Um, and we have something Um, and we have something like a canvas, and like a canvas, and like a canvas, and we have very good we have very good we have very good performance. It's performance. It's performance. It's much easier to much easier to much easier to navigate.

navigate. navigate. Yes, it's me. So I'm Yes, it's me. So I'm Yes, it's me. So I'm trying to trying to trying to gain some confidence gain some confidence gain some confidence as an organizer that we're as an organizer that we're as an organizer that we're not just not just not just organizing events organizing events , but we're also doing , but we're also doing , but we're also doing event technology, which event technology, which event technology, which are completely separate, are completely separate, are completely separate, uh, effectively uh, effectively uh, effectively disciplines. It's not that disciplines. It's not that disciplines. It's not that I'm an I'm an I'm an engineer. It's just a engineer. It's just a engineer. It's just a design thing and I design thing and I design thing and I wanted to fully wanted to fully wanted to fully collect all the collect all the collect all the specs. So, specs. So, specs. So, everything you just everything you just everything you just reported, we reported, we reported, we recorded that session, recorded that session, recorded that session, it became a kind of it became a kind of it became a kind of document with document with document with requirements for me to requirements for me to requirements for me to do this do this do this next year. next year. next year. Fantastically. Fantastically. Fantastically. Fantastically. Fantastically. Fantastically. So I know you're So I know you're So I know you're going to do a going to do a going to do a bunch of things. bunch of things. bunch of things. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. I'm glad you I'm glad you I'm glad you wrote that down. wrote that down. wrote that down. You can probably You can probably You can probably find...Yeah, you find...Yeah, you find...Yeah, you can probably find can probably find can probably find my email my email my email address if you have anything else address if you have anything else address if you have anything else you'll you'll you'll think of later. Um think of later. Um , [email protected]. Um, yeah, we , [email protected]. Um, yeah, we , [email protected]. Um, yeah, we want to hear all of that want to hear all of that want to hear all of that and create it, as you and create it, as you and create it, as you know, engineers know, engineers know, engineers deserve a deserve a deserve a good app. Um, good app. Um, good app. Um, having said that, um, as I've having said that, um, as I've having said that, um, as I've told other people told other people , we've always made , we've always made , we've always made our data open our data open our data open source. So source. So source. So if you wanted to if you wanted to if you wanted to write your own write your own write your own Vibe code, you could Vibe code, you could Vibe code, you could do that. And that's great, do that. And that's great, do that. And that's great, by the way. I wish by the way. I wish by the way. I wish more more more events like this would do this because events like this would do this because events like this would do this because why would you why would you why would you like it...yeah, I would like it...yeah, I would like it...yeah, I would say I've say I've say I've never liked a never liked a conference app that conference app that someone else made.

someone else made. someone else made. I just I just I just like the one like the one like the one I do. And I assume I do. And I assume that it is the same for that it is the same for that it is the same for all participants. all participants. Just to expand on Just to expand on the last idea, you the last idea, you the last idea, you could gamify could gamify could gamify it and present it as a it and present it as a marketplace where people marketplace where people can upload can upload can upload their applications. That's their applications. That's all. This is everyone who all. This is everyone who applied. There are only applied. There are only applied. There are only three, uh, four. That's three, uh, four. That's three, uh, four. That's all. There are not so all. There are not so all. There are not so many applications. many applications. There is an opportunity for There is an opportunity for growth. growth. Hi Sean, Hi Sean, thanks again for this. As you thanks again for this. As you thanks again for this. As you know, I work for a know, I work for a know, I work for a non-profit non-profit non-profit organization in the organization in the organization in the sports industry sports industry . So, uh, we don't have . So, uh, we don't have . So, uh, we don't have a lot of money, but a lot of money, but a lot of money, but we decide we decide we decide to invest quite a to invest quite a to invest quite a bit every year to get bit every year to get bit every year to get here. I've been doing this for 4 here. I've been doing this for 4 here. I've been doing this for 4 years. years. years. Thank you for coming back Thank you for coming back Thank you for coming back and bringing your team and bringing your team . . . Yes, maybe I'll start Yes, maybe I'll start Yes, maybe I'll start with that. There is at least with that. There is at least with that. There is at least one organization that one organization that one organization that considers this as considers this as considers this as part of our part of our part of our annual countdown. This is an annual countdown. This is an annual countdown. This is an investment we investment we investment we make in our team make in our team . We spend . We spend . We spend tens of thousands of tens of thousands of tens of thousands of dollars to bring dollars to bring dollars to bring our people here our people here our people here because of you. So for because of you. So for because of you. So for all the feedback and all all the feedback and all all the feedback and all that that that constructive stuff constructive stuff constructive stuff that you get, that you get, that you get, thank you for making all of this thank you for making all of this thank you for making all of this happen. Uh, it happen. Uh, it happen. Uh, it goes beyond goes beyond goes beyond just the content, just the content, just the content, the things that are here, and the the things that are here, and the the things that are here, and the speakers. This is how we speakers. This is how we speakers. This is how we invest in our invest in our invest in our team. So thank you for team. So thank you for team. So thank you for , um, playing a , um, playing a , um, playing a key role in this.

key role in this. I have one related to the I have one related to the word "invest". word "invest". word "invest". I have a related I have a related I have a related suggestion, but I suggestion, but I suggestion, but I want to hear want to hear want to hear your opinion first. your opinion first. We approach it this We approach it this way: when we way: when we way: when we come here, we, um come here, we, um , also gather a , also gather a , also gather a month before to month before to month before to prepare for prepare for prepare for being here. being here. being here. Yes, that's what I want Yes, that's what I want Yes, that's what I want in every team. Yes, in every team. Yes, in every team. Yes, we created our own we created our own we created our own little internal little internal little internal leveling summit leveling summit leveling summit to to to make sure everyone is make sure everyone is make sure everyone is here to get the here to get the here to get the most out of the time most out of the time most out of the time we spend we spend we spend together. And when we're here, together. And when we're here, together. And when we're here, it's like we rent a it's like we rent a it's like we rent a room, room, room, we get beer and we get beer and we get beer and pizza every night, and we basically pizza every night, and we basically pizza every night, and we basically discuss what we've discuss what we've discuss what we've heard and learned heard and learned heard and learned throughout the day. So throughout the day. So throughout the day. So just recognize that just recognize that just recognize that it's different from what it's different from what it's different from what you see within you see within you see within these four walls. these four walls. these four walls. There are many other things There are many other things There are many other things that at least one that at least one that at least one organization is doing with organization is doing with organization is doing with this. So thank you for being a this. So thank you for being a this. So thank you for being a part of this. I part of this. I part of this. I just want to just want to just want to applaud the applaud the applaud the part where you, um, part where you, um, part where you, um, were significantly better were significantly better were significantly better than before. Hmm, than before. Hmm, than before. Hmm, the content is fantastic the content is fantastic , I think. Hmm, , I think. Hmm, , I think. Hmm, one person's opinion. one person's opinion. one person's opinion. Can you name Can you name Can you name the sessions that you the sessions that you the sessions that you think were successful? think were successful? think were successful? Hmm, not specifically, but, Hmm, not specifically, but, Hmm, not specifically, but, um, in previous years um, in previous years um, in previous years it was more it was more it was more advertising- advertising- oriented or, um, oriented or, um, oriented or, um, thirsty for thirsty for thirsty for relevance. And, um, relevance. And, um, relevance. And, um, we have people who are we have people who are we have people who are just doing just doing just doing amazing things who amazing things who amazing things who have been able to stand up and have been able to stand up and have been able to stand up and talk about it, and talk about it, and talk about it, and talk about it talk about it talk about it authentically. Hmm, I was authentically. Hmm, I was authentically. Hmm, I was just really impressed by just really impressed by just really impressed by that. And it's actually that. And it's actually that. And it's actually more than more than more than one person's opinion. I've heard one person's opinion. I've heard one person's opinion. I've heard this from a few this from a few this from a few other people as well.

other people as well. other people as well. Can I just Can I just Can I just say, um, that I say, um, that I say, um, that I have nothing to do with this have nothing to do with this have nothing to do with this . I can't . I can't . I can't take any take any take any credit for this. credit for this. credit for this. We just exist longer. We just exist longer. We just exist longer. That's why people heard about That's why people heard about That's why people heard about us. That's why they us. That's why they us. That's why they turn. These are all turn. These are all turn. These are all incoming messages. incoming messages. incoming messages. We don't really... I We don't really... I mean, I didn't invite mean, I didn't invite mean, I didn't invite some of them, but some of them, but some of them, but mostly it's people mostly it's people mostly it's people who say I have who say I have who say I have something to share. something to share. something to share. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because we've been around Because we've been around Because we've been around long enough that long enough that long enough that we've already become famous we've already become famous . . . Yeah, well, something has to be Yeah, well, something has to be Yeah, well, something has to be working right for working right for working right for that to happen. Um, that to happen. Um, that to happen. Um, I think in the first I think in the first I think in the first year there was some kind of year there was some kind of year there was some kind of " " coincidence" concept where you would coincidence" concept where you would coincidence" concept where you would set up part of the set up part of the set up part of the leadership direction leadership direction leadership direction or a second content or a second content area, uh, of the exhibition. area, uh, of the exhibition. area, uh, of the exhibition. Yes, topics for Yes, topics for Yes, topics for discussion. That's right discussion. That's right . And that sounds similar . And that sounds similar . And that sounds similar to what you to what you to what you were talking about, maybe were talking about, maybe were talking about, maybe doing in the future doing in the future doing in the future as part of a as part of a as part of a leadership direction or a second leadership direction or a second leadership direction or a second content area, uh, of the content area, uh, of the content area, uh, of the exhibition. exhibition. exhibition. Oh. Uh, maybe. Oh. Uh, maybe. Oh. Uh, maybe. I mean the idea of I mean the idea of I mean the idea of going and participating. going and participating. going and participating. Yes, and Yes, and Yes, and not just listening. You not just listening. You not just listening. You participate, time, participate, time, participate, time, place, topic, uh, place, topic, uh, place, topic, uh, it's what it is, a it's what it is, a it's what it is, a non-conference, non-conference, non-conference, right? Have you been to one? Do right? Have you been to one? Do right? Have you been to one? Do you like it? you like it? you like it? Uh, it's been ten Uh, it's been ten Uh, it's been ten years or something, years or something, years or something, but yeah.

but yeah. but yeah. So people want So people want So people want us to hold a us to hold a us to hold a non-conference. non-conference. non-conference. The problem is, I'm The problem is, I'm The problem is, I'm worried we won't worried we won't worried we won't sell tickets if sell tickets if sell tickets if you come and you don't have any you come and you don't have any you come and you don't have any speakers besides speakers besides speakers besides yourselves. yourselves. yourselves. Yes, I wouldn't leave if Yes, I wouldn't leave if Yes, I wouldn't leave if that was all. I'm just that was all. I'm just that was all. I'm just saying there's a place, and I would saying there's a place, and I would saying there's a place, and I would find it find it find it compelling at compelling at compelling at some point some point some point to wrap it up into a niche to wrap it up into a niche to wrap it up into a niche thing. thing. Yes. Uh, yes. Yes. Uh, yes. Maybe it's Maybe it's Maybe it's different from what different from what different from what you imagine a you imagine a conference to be. conference to be. No, I mean No, I mean No, I mean I look like, um, I look like, um, I look like, um, okay, especially okay, especially okay, especially for the leaders that we for the leaders that we for the leaders that we want, actually want, actually want, actually once, maybe once, maybe once, maybe next year, next year, next year, maybe a year from now, I do maybe a year from now, I do maybe a year from now, I do n't know, to do a n't know, to do a n't know, to do a specialized specialized specialized retreat for leaders. Uh retreat for leaders. Uh , only the leaders , only the leaders , only the leaders will go, for example, to will go, for example, to will go, for example, to Nape or something, and Nape or something, and Nape or something, and sit around for the weekend. sit around for the weekend. sit around for the weekend. Uh, I can Uh, I can Uh, I can attend the attend the attend the GAU conference. I can GAU conference. I can GAU conference. I can have informal have informal have informal conversations there. I think there conversations there. I think there conversations there. I think there will be demand for this. Uh, yeah will be demand for this. Uh, yeah , I mean, but in , I mean, but in , I mean, but in such cases, such cases, such cases, content is the main thing. content is the main thing. content is the main thing. We want to get We want to get We want to get as much as much as much good work good work good work online as possible. Uh, it's well online as possible. Uh, it's well online as possible. Uh, it's well organized with these organized with these organized with these guys, and, uh, for guys, and, uh, for guys, and, uh, for you to you to you to meet the meet the meet the speakers in person.

speakers in person. speakers in person. Yes. Yes. Yes. Uh, the last thing I Uh, the last thing I Uh, the last thing I wanted to share is, wanted to share is, wanted to share is, um, and you don't have to um, and you don't have to um, and you don't have to react to this, but react to this, but react to this, but just, um, for just, um, for just, um, for many years, many years, many years, you know, for a you know, for a you know, for a long time we had long time we had long time we had things like South things like South things like South by Southwest that by Southwest that by Southwest that started out kind of corny started out kind of corny started out kind of corny and with a certain and with a certain and with a certain vibe, and eventually the vibe, and eventually the vibe, and eventually the ratio of, uh, ratio of, uh, ratio of, uh, sports jackets sports jackets sports jackets to hoodies started to take over to hoodies started to take over to hoodies started to take over , and that's naturally going , and that's naturally going , and that's naturally going to happen at to happen at to happen at any place that's that any place that's that successful. Uh, successful. Uh, I'll be a little sad when I'll be a little sad when I'll be a little sad when that happens. So I that happens. So I that happens. So I really appreciate the heart and really appreciate the heart and really appreciate the heart and soul you put into soul you put into soul you put into all of this. all of this. all of this. Have you noticed that it has Have you noticed that it has Have you noticed that it has become more, uh, become more, uh, become more, uh, calm? I just calm? I just calm? I just , uh, my index , uh, my index , uh, my index for this. for this. My index for this is the number of people in the number of people in the number of people in suits. Right? suits. Right? suits. Right? We had two orcs, We had two orcs, We had two orcs, yes, walking around. yes, walking around. yes, walking around. Okay, we had a Okay, we had a Okay, we had a guy in a guy in a guy in a tyrannosaurus costume. We tyrannosaurus costume. We tyrannosaurus costume. We had mother ducks outside had mother ducks outside had mother ducks outside . I don't know if . I don't know if . I don't know if you saw us or the you saw us or the you saw us or the ducks. Er, we had a ducks. Er, we had a ducks. Er, we had a shark. Er, as shark. Er, as shark. Er, as for the for the for the costume index, there were three costume index, there were three costume index, there were three Walls fairs. The Walls fairs. The Walls fairs. The costume index was two at the costume index was two at the costume index was two at the first Walls Fair, zero first Walls Fair, zero first Walls Fair, zero last year, and last year, and last year, and now it's somewhere around now it's somewhere around now it's somewhere around nine. Hmm, so I nine. Hmm, so I nine. Hmm, so I think we're think we're think we're moving in the moving in the moving in the right direction right direction . We had, I mean, . We had, I mean, . We had, I mean, okay, then we okay, then we okay, then we got a bunch of got a bunch of got a bunch of free free free costumes during the costumes during the costumes during the flash mob. Did you see flash mob. Did you see flash mob. Did you see the flash mob?

the flash mob? the flash mob? I am not. I am not. I am not. Oh my God. Uh, yes. Uh Oh my God. Uh, yes. Uh , anyway, I , anyway, I , anyway, I want to... I said, uh want to... I said, uh , Eva, we had Eva, the , Eva, we had Eva, the , Eva, we had Eva, the head of head of head of design at Y Combinator, design at Y Combinator, design at Y Combinator, speaking at the speaking at the speaking at the design session design session . I thought I wanted this to . I thought I wanted this to . I thought I wanted this to be a be a be a conference where you would conference where you would conference where you would do things that would be do things that would be do things that would be unprofessional on unprofessional on unprofessional on others, but it others, but it others, but it fits here because there fits here because there fits here because there is a community atmosphere here is a community atmosphere here is a community atmosphere here because you because you because you can be yourself. can be yourself. can be yourself. This is fantastic. This is fantastic. This is fantastic. So yeah, I So yeah, I So yeah, I mean, to some extent, I mean, to some extent, I mean, to some extent, I know, I'm not going to know, I'm not going to know, I'm not going to run AIE forever. Uh, run AIE forever. Uh, run AIE forever. Uh, but I think if but I think if but I think if we set we set we set community expectations community expectations , um, that, uh, you know, that's what , um, that, uh, you know, that's what , um, that, uh, you know, that's what we're we're we're doing. It's like doing. It's like doing. It's like Comic-Con. At Comic-Con, you know Comic-Con. At Comic-Con, you know , there are still people who are , there are still people who are , there are still people who are n't caught up in the lawsuits. And n't caught up in the lawsuits. And n't caught up in the lawsuits. And I think that's important I think that's important . We still want . We still want . We still want to serve the lawsuits to serve the lawsuits . I think there is a place for them . I think there is a place for them . I think there is a place for them . Hmm, but there's, . Hmm, but there's, . Hmm, but there's, you know, a floor at Moscone you know, a floor at Moscone you know, a floor at Moscone that separates the lawsuits that separates the lawsuits that separates the lawsuits from this place. I from this place. I from this place. I think that's normal. think that's normal. think that's normal. Yes. Hmm, what else can I Yes. Hmm, what else can I Yes. Hmm, what else can I say about this say about this say about this ? Hmm. ? Hmm. ? Hmm. Atmosphere and Atmosphere and Atmosphere and culture. I think that, culture. I think that, culture. I think that, um, one of the um, one of the um, one of the most important things most important things most important things about our about our about our competition application, uh competition application, uh , performance application, is that , performance application, is that , performance application, is that we have all these we have all these we have all these tracks that we're tracks that we're tracks that we're interested in, but the interested in, but the interested in, but the last thing that's in the track last thing that's in the track last thing that's in the track is that my talk is is that my talk is is that my talk is weird and doesn't fit. And I weird and doesn't fit. And I weird and doesn't fit. And I always want there to be always want there to be always want there to be room for strange room for strange room for strange things. And so, um, things. And so, um, things. And so, um, Eric Eric Eric Meyer's talk last Meyer's talk last Meyer's talk last night came night came night came from there. John from there. John from there. John Osterhout's stuff originated Osterhout's stuff originated Osterhout's stuff originated from there. Sometimes you from there. Sometimes you from there. Sometimes you just have something you just have something you just have something you really want to really want to really want to share and it's

share and it's share and it's not a good fit yet, but not a good fit yet, but not a good fit yet, but if it's cool, yeah, uh if it's cool, yeah, uh , we'll try to give , we'll try to give , we'll try to give it a platform and a it a platform and a it a platform and a place. place. place. Uh, along those Uh, along those Uh, along those lines, I had a lines, I had a lines, I had a question about, uh, the question about, uh, the question about, uh, the speakers. So, that's speakers. So, that's speakers. So, that's why I'm here. I think the why I'm here. I think the why I'm here. I think the speakers, the quality of speakers, the quality of speakers, the quality of speakers that you speakers that you speakers that you can gather here, is can gather here, is can gather here, is impressive. Uh, I impressive. Uh, I impressive. Uh, I applied with my whole applied with my whole applied with my whole team as team as team as speakers, so speakers, so speakers, so five applications in total, five applications in total, five applications in total, and I expected...I was and I expected...I was and I expected...I was accepted for the accepted for the accepted for the distance learning distance learning distance learning track. In short track. In short track. In short , I'm a little , I'm a little , I'm a little disappointed that my disappointed that my disappointed that my teammates teammates teammates who work in who work in who work in spatial spatial spatial thinking and have, uh thinking and have, uh , a product for , a product for , a product for developers, just developers, just developers, just raised a Series C where raised a Series C where raised a Series C where we have, uh, we have, uh, we have, uh, paying paying paying customers who customers who customers who are using are using are using the latest the latest the latest computer vision and computer vision and , uh, spatial , uh, spatial , uh, spatial intelligence tools that are, uh, intelligence tools that are, uh, being used for the first time in being used for the first time in architecture. And I architecture. And I architecture. And I wanted to ask, wanted to ask, wanted to ask, for example, in the applications, for example, in the applications, for example, in the applications, these guys who submitted these guys who submitted these guys who submitted their applications, they are not their applications, they are not their applications, they are not known on Twitter. Uh known on Twitter. Uh , they're not from Silicon , they're not from Silicon , they're not from Silicon Valley. They are Valley. They are Valley. They are architects who architects who architects who became PhDs became PhDs became PhDs and and and machine machine machine learning engineers. How can I learning engineers. How can I learning engineers. How can I better tell better tell better tell their story in my application their story in my application to have a better to have a better to have a better chance of them being selected chance of them being selected chance of them being selected to speak on this to speak on this to speak on this topic?

topic? topic? Uh, so again, Uh, so again, Uh, so again, sorry that, uh, we sorry that, uh, we sorry that, uh, we can't choose everyone. can't choose everyone. You were on a You were on a waitlist or waitlist or waitlist or selected for an online selected for an online selection. selection. selection. Uh, selected for Uh, selected for Uh, selected for online selection. Yes. online selection. Yes. online selection. Yes. Yes. Uh, so, uh, Yes. Uh, so, uh, Yes. Uh, so, uh, you know, we had 2,200 you know, we had 2,200 you know, we had 2,200 applications for actually 300 applications for actually 300 applications for actually 300 spots. Uh, and we also invited people to many spots. Uh, and we also invited people to many spots. Uh, and we also invited people to many of those 300 places of those 300 places . It's not just . It's not just all the, uh, people who all the, uh, people who all the, uh, people who come to the competition. come to the competition. come to the competition. So, basically, it's So, basically, it's So, basically, it's very, very very, very very, very competitive. We can't competitive. We can't competitive. We can't accept everyone accept everyone accept everyone who does who does who does meaningful work because there are too meaningful work because there are too meaningful work because there are too many of them. Uh, I many of them. Uh, I many of them. Uh, I will say that I will say that I will say that I think being a bit of a think being a bit of a think being a bit of a frontier, being, uh frontier, being, uh , unique in the , unique in the , unique in the application, uh, it application, uh, it application, uh, it ties it into a broader ties it into a broader ties it into a broader trend, which we trend, which we trend, which we can say can say can say really helps. I really helps. I really helps. I don't know if, um, I don't don't know if, um, I don't don't know if, um, I don't know if this know if this know if this directly directly directly applies to your applies to your applies to your situation because situation because situation because basically there are a lot of basically there are a lot of basically there are a lot of early early early stage companies that have stage companies that have stage companies that have revenue, that have revenue, that have revenue, that have innovative things, and innovative things, and innovative things, and we only have 10 we only have 10 we only have 10 reports in reports in reports in visualization.

visualization. Yes, of course. Yes, of course. Of course? And some Of course? And some Of course? And some of it goes straight to of it goes straight to of it goes straight to people with their own people with their own people with their own models, like models, like perception reports. Yes, perception reports. Yes, which ones we have. And some of it which ones we have. And some of it which ones we have. And some of it goes to leading goes to leading goes to leading companies that are companies that are companies that are somewhat known on somewhat known on somewhat known on Twitter because it Twitter because it Twitter because it puts them at the puts them at the puts them at the top. top. top. Yes. Yes. Yes. Then we have a Then we have a Then we have a little left over little left over little left over for people who for people who for people who like it...let's like it...let's like it...let's see how they see how they see how they handle it. handle it. handle it. Aha. Aha. Aha. So the better you So the better you So the better you can guarantee can guarantee can guarantee the work of the review the work of the review the work of the review committee. I'm on every committee. I'm on every committee. I'm on every committee, but then I committee, but then I committee, but then I work with work with work with reviewers we reviewers we reviewers we trust, usually trust, usually trust, usually previous previous previous speakers, to speakers, to speakers, to review and review and review and vote on vote on vote on who should be who should be who should be included. If you included. If you included. If you can guarantee can guarantee can guarantee it will be a hit, basically it will be a hit, basically yes, yes, yes. yes, yes, yes. Then that will be great. Then that will be great. Then that will be great. That's why we often, that's why That's why we often, that's why That's why we often, that's why applications are not applications are not applications are not blind. We blind. We blind. We encourage you to encourage you to encourage you to submit preliminary submit preliminary submit preliminary reports. reports. reports. Yes. Yes. Yes. And we watch And we watch And we watch the reports. the reports. the reports. Aha. Aha. Aha. And if we go, this And if we go, this And if we go, this guy is really guy is really guy is really damn good, damn good, damn good, we'll fight for you we'll fight for you we'll fight for you . . . I wanted to ask about that too I wanted to ask about that too I wanted to ask about that too . So, . So, . So, let's say next let's say next let's say next year, that's a good goal to year, that's a good goal to year, that's a good goal to try, try, try, and just build up and just build up and just build up the number of the number of the number of recordings of speeches at recordings of speeches at recordings of speeches at other meetings, other meetings, other meetings, other conferences, and other conferences, and other conferences, and provide some proof provide some proof provide some proof that even if that even if that even if it doesn't have a thousand it doesn't have a thousand it doesn't have a thousand views, it doesn't views, it doesn't views, it doesn't matter.

matter. matter. Yes. Yes. Yes. But from what I see, you're But from what I see, you're But from what I see, you're like, like, We We have a quality filter here. have a quality filter here. have a quality filter here. This is a very high bar This is a very high bar . Yes, this is a loss bar. . Yes, this is a loss bar. . Yes, this is a loss bar. Right. Right. Right. Some people pass, Some people pass, Some people pass, but shouldn't but shouldn't but shouldn't pass, I know. But pass, I know. But pass, I know. But mostly, we are mostly, we are mostly, we are known for having a known for having a known for having a very high bar. very high bar. very high bar. So just try to So just try to So just try to dispel all doubts dispel all doubts dispel all doubts that you reach this that you reach this that you reach this level, and you will be level, and you will be level, and you will be accepted. accepted. accepted. Perfectly. Thank you very much. Is there Perfectly. Thank you very much. Is there Perfectly. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else? anyone else? Hmm, so first of all, I'd like to Hmm, so first of all, I'd like to thank thank thank you, because I'm participating you, because I'm participating you, because I'm participating in the ACM Agents in the ACM Agents in the ACM Agents Project Agents and Agentic Systems conference, Project Agents and Agentic Systems conference, Project Agents and Agentic Systems conference, because I submitted a because I submitted a because I submitted a demo video demo video , and we can... I , and we can... I , and we can... I just want to say that just want to say that just want to say that I think it's great I think it's great I think it's great that you were able to make that you were able to make that you were able to make this conference accessible to this conference accessible to students, academics, students, academics, and people who are and people who are and people who are doing this. Hmm, the doing this. Hmm, the doing this. Hmm, the more you can more you can more you can do that, the better, do that, the better, do that, the better, because a lot of the people because a lot of the people because a lot of the people who were there when I who were there when I who were there when I attended that attended that attended that meeting, a lot of meeting, a lot of meeting, a lot of the people who were there the people who were there the people who were there were just young, were just young, were just young, bright, very bright, very bright, very excited people excited people who are just who are just who are just starting out in their starting out in their starting out in their careers. They're doing careers. They're doing careers. They're doing really interesting things from a really interesting things from a really interesting things from a conceptual conceptual conceptual standpoint, and I think a standpoint, and I think a standpoint, and I think a little more of that in the little more of that in the little more of that in the community could also community could also community could also be a good, you know, be a good, you know, be a good, you know, catalyst to catalyst to catalyst to get things moving get things moving get things moving .

. Yes, I...thank you for Yes, I...thank you for saying that. Uh, I was saying that. Uh, I was ... This is the first year ... This is the first year ... This is the first year we've had we've had we've had poster sessions. Hmm, poster sessions. Hmm, poster sessions. Hmm, NeurIPS...So AIE was NeurIPS...So AIE was NeurIPS...So AIE was created as a created as a created as a counterpoint to NeurIPS, ICML, ICLR, counterpoint to NeurIPS, ICML, ICLR, counterpoint to NeurIPS, ICML, ICLR, because we essentially because we essentially because we essentially wanted to do all the things wanted to do all the things wanted to do all the things they don't do. they don't do. they don't do. For example, don't For example, don't For example, don't stop submitting stop submitting stop submitting applications 6 months before the applications 6 months before the applications 6 months before the conference date, as conference date, as conference date, as this guarantees that everything this guarantees that everything this guarantees that everything will be out of date. Hmm, but we will be out of date. Hmm, but we will be out of date. Hmm, but we want to bring want to bring want to bring academia academia academia into industry just like into industry just like into industry just like NeurIPS NeurIPS NeurIPS brings brings brings industry into industry into industry into academia academia . And I think that, uh, there's a . And I think that, uh, there's a . And I think that, uh, there's a lot of synergy here. lot of synergy here. lot of synergy here. CAES was the easiest CAES was the easiest CAES was the easiest to work with. So, we have to work with. So, we have to work with. So, we have this partnership. this partnership. this partnership. It's very...It was It's very...It was It's very...It was very successful. We were very successful. We were very successful. We were invited back to CAES invited back to CAES , and CAES was invited back , and CAES was invited back , and CAES was invited back to us. So we to us. So we to us. So we continue. Hmm, I continue. Hmm, I continue. Hmm, I think the question think the question think the question is: well, okay. In is: well, okay. In is: well, okay. In this case, we this case, we this case, we simply simply simply use CAES as use CAES as use CAES as our selection process. our selection process. our selection process. We didn't We didn't We didn't do any do any do any selection at all. We just selection at all. We just selection at all. We just outsourced it outsourced it outsourced it . But at . But at . But at some point we some point we some point we will have a will have a will have a peer review process. Hmm peer review process. Hmm , I was introduced to the , I was introduced to the , I was introduced to the presidents of the ACM. Shall presidents of the ACM. Shall presidents of the ACM. Shall we start publishing our we start publishing our we start publishing our own magazine to own magazine to own magazine to give people a place to give people a place to give people a place to publish? I think to publish? I think to publish? I think to some extent, um, some extent, um, some extent, um, I like that I like that I like that we're not accredited we're not accredited we're not accredited because it means that because it means that because it means that nobody is breaking nobody is breaking nobody is breaking any exclusivity rules any exclusivity rules by presenting here because by presenting here because they can just they can just they can just double their double their double their presentation. If presentation. If presentation. If they are already they are already they are already in the San Francisco Bay Area in the San Francisco Bay Area , that's good. Uh , that's good. Uh , if they just , if they just , if they just want to double down on their want to double down on their want to double down on their work, uh, and work, uh, and work, uh, and present it to an present it to an present it to an industry audience industry audience , that's fine. Uh, and yeah, , that's fine. Uh, and yeah, , that's fine. Uh, and yeah, I like I like I like the energy of students, uh the energy of students, uh , because a lot of people , because a lot of people , because a lot of people actually want to actually want to actually want to hire them. Uh, so, uh, hire them. Uh, so, uh, hire them. Uh, so, uh, Wolfsburg is Wolfsburg is Wolfsburg is actually the only place

actually the only place actually the only place I can do it I can do it I can do it because I have because I have because I have real estate. Uh, and real estate. Uh, and real estate. Uh, and so we'll try to so we'll try to so we'll try to do it more often, do it more often, do it more often, but I think but I think but I think it was relatively it was relatively it was relatively successful this time. successful this time. successful this time. Absolutely. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. Eh, maybe that's all. Eh, maybe that's all. We have the AIE Singapore team We have the AIE Singapore team We have the AIE Singapore team that just arrived. Uh that just arrived. Uh , they also made a , they also made a networking app. Some of networking app. Some of you have asked about a you have asked about a networking app. It's him. Uh , this is Sherina Grimm. Uh , this is Sherina Grimm. Uh , otherwise, I think that's , otherwise, I think that's , otherwise, I think that's it. I'm going to make it. I'm going to make it. I'm going to make a call and I a call and I a call and I need to go and need to go and need to go and participate in Startup Battle, but participate in Startup Battle, but participate in Startup Battle, but thank you so much for thank you so much for thank you so much for coming. Come coming. Come coming. Come next year. next year. next year. Greetings.