Extended interview: Patrick Clancy

Patrick Clancy was a married father of Patrick Clancy was a married father of three living in Dubberry, Massachusetts. three living in Dubberry, Massachusetts. three living in Dubberry, Massachusetts. When his life changed forever on January When his life changed forever on January When his life changed forever on January 24th, 2023, 24th, 2023, 24th, 2023, he returned from an errand to find the he returned from an errand to find the he returned from an errand to find the unimaginable. His three children killed unimaginable. His three children killed unimaginable. His three children killed at the hands of his then wife, Lindsay, at the hands of his then wife, Lindsay, at the hands of his then wife, Lindsay, who had also attempted to take her own who had also attempted to take her own who had also attempted to take her own life. Lindseay Clancy's murder trial life. Lindseay Clancy's murder trial life. Lindseay Clancy's murder trial became a national obsession, sparking became a national obsession, sparking became a national obsession, sparking conversations about mental health, conversations about mental health, conversations about mental health, criminal fault, and how the medical criminal fault, and how the medical criminal fault, and how the medical system fails mothers. Her lawyers don't system fails mothers. Her lawyers don't system fails mothers. Her lawyers don't deny that she killed the children. They deny that she killed the children. They deny that she killed the children. They argue that she couldn't be held argue that she couldn't be held argue that she couldn't be held responsible because she was suffering responsible because she was suffering responsible because she was suffering from postpartum psychosis. But that from postpartum psychosis. But that from postpartum psychosis. But that hasn't stopped online sleuths and hasn't stopped online sleuths and hasn't stopped online sleuths and influencers from speculating that influencers from speculating that influencers from speculating that Patrick murdered the Clansancy children. Patrick murdered the Clansancy children. Patrick murdered the Clansancy children. We met Patrick Clancy in New York City We met Patrick Clancy in New York City We met Patrick Clancy in New York City for a conversation about his grief, his for a conversation about his grief, his for a conversation about his grief, his ex-wife's struggles with mental illness, ex-wife's struggles with mental illness, ex-wife's struggles with mental illness, and the social media frenzy surrounding and the social media frenzy surrounding and the social media frenzy surrounding him. This is an extended version of that him. This is an extended version of that him. This is an extended version of that interview. interview. interview. >> Tell me about Lindsay and what she was >> Tell me about Lindsay and what she was >> Tell me about Lindsay and what she was like when you guys first met.

like when you guys first met. like when you guys first met. >> We first met in the summer of 2013 in >> We first met in the summer of 2013 in >> We first met in the summer of 2013 in Boston and she was just a funloving, Boston and she was just a funloving, Boston and she was just a funloving, outgoing person. I think our first or outgoing person. I think our first or outgoing person. I think our first or second date, we flew a kite on a beach second date, we flew a kite on a beach second date, we flew a kite on a beach in Boston and I think we we had the same in Boston and I think we we had the same in Boston and I think we we had the same goals in life. I think we we both wanted goals in life. I think we we both wanted goals in life. I think we we both wanted families. We both wanted kids and after families. We both wanted kids and after families. We both wanted kids and after two and a half years, we were engaged. two and a half years, we were engaged. two and a half years, we were engaged. >> What kind of mother was she? >> What kind of mother was she? >> What kind of mother was she? >> She was very hands-on. >> She was very hands-on. >> She was very hands-on. And I I think she was at a she reached And I I think she was at a she reached And I I think she was at a she reached that point that she sort of dreamed of. that point that she sort of dreamed of. that point that she sort of dreamed of. And Callen, your youngest, was born in And Callen, your youngest, was born in And Callen, your youngest, was born in May of 2022. May of 2022. May of 2022. >> May 26th. >> May 26th. >> May 26th. >> May 26th, 2022. How soon afterwards did >> May 26th, 2022. How soon afterwards did >> May 26th, 2022. How soon afterwards did you realize that something was wrong you realize that something was wrong you realize that something was wrong with your wife? with your wife? with your wife? >> Probably about 5 months. >> Probably about 5 months. >> Probably about 5 months. And so, yeah, it was it was October and And so, yeah, it was it was October and And so, yeah, it was it was October and um she went a few nights without um she went a few nights without um she went a few nights without sleeping. sleeping. sleeping. >> What did she tell you that she was >> What did she tell you that she was >> What did she tell you that she was experiencing then? She came downstairs experiencing then? She came downstairs experiencing then? She came downstairs one morning and she said, "I didn't one morning and she said, "I didn't one morning and she said, "I didn't sleep at all last night." And so I said, sleep at all last night." And so I said, sleep at all last night." And so I said, "You know, that's awful." And uh I'll "You know, that's awful." And uh I'll "You know, that's awful." And uh I'll I'll take the kids to school. You just I'll take the kids to school. You just I'll take the kids to school. You just focus on focus on focus on uh getting caught up on sleep.

uh getting caught up on sleep. uh getting caught up on sleep. >> And what happened from there? Like how >> And what happened from there? Like how >> And what happened from there? Like how did it how did it get worse? did it how did it get worse? did it how did it get worse? >> Well, she went another night without >> Well, she went another night without >> Well, she went another night without sleeping. So um so she went to the sleeping. So um so she went to the sleeping. So um so she went to the hospital after that and uh and they hospital after that and uh and they hospital after that and uh and they tried to give her some medications to tried to give her some medications to tried to give her some medications to help with that. Uh but it it was a a bit help with that. Uh but it it was a a bit help with that. Uh but it it was a a bit of a spiral for the next you know month of a spiral for the next you know month of a spiral for the next you know month and a half. and a half. and a half. >> What did she tell you? She was >> What did she tell you? She was >> What did she tell you? She was experiencing experiencing experiencing >> severe depression, a lot of anxiety and >> severe depression, a lot of anxiety and >> severe depression, a lot of anxiety and the sleep didn't improve much. She she the sleep didn't improve much. She she the sleep didn't improve much. She she it improved a little bit but she was it improved a little bit but she was it improved a little bit but she was still struggling to get sufficient sleep still struggling to get sufficient sleep still struggling to get sufficient sleep each night and so it was it was just each night and so it was it was just each night and so it was it was just hard to catch up. Did you know anything hard to catch up. Did you know anything hard to catch up. Did you know anything about postpartum mental illness before about postpartum mental illness before about postpartum mental illness before this experience started? this experience started? this experience started? >> No. I could piece together what it was >> No. I could piece together what it was >> No. I could piece together what it was like to be really, really anxious or like to be really, really anxious or like to be really, really anxious or depressed. depressed. depressed. Um, but I didn't know how to manage a Um, but I didn't know how to manage a Um, but I didn't know how to manage a postpartum illness. I think mental postpartum illness. I think mental postpartum illness. I think mental illness has this ability to be illness has this ability to be illness has this ability to be tragically deceptive. So, I'm I'm sure tragically deceptive. So, I'm I'm sure tragically deceptive. So, I'm I'm sure there are things that I didn't see. What there are things that I didn't see. What there are things that I didn't see. What kind of support were you guys getting kind of support were you guys getting kind of support were you guys getting from outside the home besides medical from outside the home besides medical from outside the home besides medical help? Like did you feel supported by help? Like did you feel supported by help? Like did you feel supported by your families? What was that situation your families? What was that situation your families? What was that situation like?

like? like? >> Yeah, both our parents were trying to >> Yeah, both our parents were trying to >> Yeah, both our parents were trying to help as much as they could. We had help as much as they could. We had help as much as they could. We had friends in town dropping off meals. Um friends in town dropping off meals. Um friends in town dropping off meals. Um Lindsay was pretty open about it. You Lindsay was pretty open about it. You Lindsay was pretty open about it. You know, people at at the kids school were know, people at at the kids school were know, people at at the kids school were aware of it and they were trying to be aware of it and they were trying to be aware of it and they were trying to be helpful. So, um there was there was helpful. So, um there was there was helpful. So, um there was there was there were people who were trying to there were people who were trying to there were people who were trying to help us out. help us out. help us out. Did it help? Did it help? Did it help? >> I think so at the time. Yeah. Yeah. When >> I think so at the time. Yeah. Yeah. When >> I think so at the time. Yeah. Yeah. When you have that support, when you have you have that support, when you have you have that support, when you have people rooting for you, it can be people rooting for you, it can be people rooting for you, it can be helpful. helpful. helpful. Patrick and Lindseay Clancy were living Patrick and Lindseay Clancy were living Patrick and Lindseay Clancy were living in the seaside town of Dubberry, in the seaside town of Dubberry, in the seaside town of Dubberry, Massachusetts. They were married 6 Massachusetts. They were married 6 Massachusetts. They were married 6 years. Months after the birth of their years. Months after the birth of their years. Months after the birth of their third child, Lindsay made repeated third child, Lindsay made repeated third child, Lindsay made repeated emergency room visits. She admitted emergency room visits. She admitted emergency room visits. She admitted herself to a program for patients with herself to a program for patients with herself to a program for patients with postpartum depression and was discharged postpartum depression and was discharged postpartum depression and was discharged after a day of treatment. She was also after a day of treatment. She was also after a day of treatment. She was also prescribed an escalating number of prescribed an escalating number of prescribed an escalating number of prescription drugs. prescription drugs. prescription drugs. >> Patrick said he struggled to help his >> Patrick said he struggled to help his >> Patrick said he struggled to help his wife navigate the medical system. wife navigate the medical system. wife navigate the medical system. >> What was the low point a few months in?

>> What was the low point a few months in? >> What was the low point a few months in? >> Uh I think December December was a a it >> Uh I think December December was a a it >> Uh I think December December was a a it was a big struggle for her. uh just a was a big struggle for her. uh just a was a big struggle for her. uh just a huge lack of sleep, deep, deep huge lack of sleep, deep, deep huge lack of sleep, deep, deep depression, intrusive thoughts, and um depression, intrusive thoughts, and um depression, intrusive thoughts, and um at the end of that month, she went to at the end of that month, she went to at the end of that month, she went to the hospital. the hospital. the hospital. >> It was New Year's Eve when Lindsay >> It was New Year's Eve when Lindsay >> It was New Year's Eve when Lindsay checked herself into Mlan's psychiatric checked herself into Mlan's psychiatric checked herself into Mlan's psychiatric hospital. She was treated for hospital. She was treated for hospital. She was treated for depression, and days later, she was depression, and days later, she was depression, and days later, she was released. The family celebrated Kora's released. The family celebrated Kora's released. The family celebrated Kora's birthday on January 7th. birthday on January 7th. birthday on January 7th. >> She told you she wanted to come home. >> She told you she wanted to come home. >> She told you she wanted to come home. She did. 17 days later, the unthinkable. She did. 17 days later, the unthinkable. She did. 17 days later, the unthinkable. After taking Kora to a doctor's After taking Kora to a doctor's After taking Kora to a doctor's appointment earlier in the day, Lindsay appointment earlier in the day, Lindsay appointment earlier in the day, Lindsay asked Patrick to run an errand and pick asked Patrick to run an errand and pick asked Patrick to run an errand and pick up dinner. And when he returned home, he up dinner. And when he returned home, he up dinner. And when he returned home, he said he found her lying in the backyard, said he found her lying in the backyard, said he found her lying in the backyard, her throat and wrists cut, paralyzed her throat and wrists cut, paralyzed her throat and wrists cut, paralyzed after jumping from an upstairs window. after jumping from an upstairs window. after jumping from an upstairs window. In the basement, he said he found his In the basement, he said he found his In the basement, he said he found his children strangled. Kora and Dawson were children strangled. Kora and Dawson were children strangled. Kora and Dawson were dead. Ken somehow survived and was dead. Ken somehow survived and was dead. Ken somehow survived and was airlifted to Boston Children's Hospital.

airlifted to Boston Children's Hospital. airlifted to Boston Children's Hospital. >> So, I didn't have all the details of >> So, I didn't have all the details of >> So, I didn't have all the details of Ken's condition. I just knew that they Ken's condition. I just knew that they Ken's condition. I just knew that they got a heartbeat back. So, got a heartbeat back. So, got a heartbeat back. So, I remember um that night I I I really I remember um that night I I I really I remember um that night I I I really thought there was a chance that Ken thought there was a chance that Ken thought there was a chance that Ken would live. And I I remember just would live. And I I remember just would live. And I I remember just thinking just give me one just give me thinking just give me one just give me thinking just give me one just give me one kid. And I would raise him as best I one kid. And I would raise him as best I one kid. And I would raise him as best I could and I would give him the best life could and I would give him the best life could and I would give him the best life I possibly could. and I tell him about I possibly could. and I tell him about I possibly could. and I tell him about his brother and sister and I was holding his brother and sister and I was holding his brother and sister and I was holding out hope for that. out hope for that. out hope for that. And then when I got to the hospital, I And then when I got to the hospital, I And then when I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. I saw the look on her saw the doctor. I saw the look on her saw the doctor. I saw the look on her face and and I knew that it it wasn't face and and I knew that it it wasn't face and and I knew that it it wasn't going to be a a good prognosis. going to be a a good prognosis. going to be a a good prognosis. >> Ken's heart kept beating for 4 days. >> Ken's heart kept beating for 4 days. >> Ken's heart kept beating for 4 days. >> I'm so grateful for those four days that >> I'm so grateful for those four days that >> I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him, I had with him, I had with him, and I'm so grateful he hung on. Did you talk to him in those four days? Did you talk to him in those four days? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can you tell me anything you said?

>> Can you tell me anything you said? >> Can you tell me anything you said? >> I said, "I'm so sorry." And I got to I got to hold him. And I got to I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him. During those hours with Kalen, Clancy During those hours with Kalen, Clancy sat and wrote tributes to each of his sat and wrote tributes to each of his sat and wrote tributes to each of his three children, typing with one hand three children, typing with one hand three children, typing with one hand while he held his baby's hand with the while he held his baby's hand with the while he held his baby's hand with the other. He said he was afraid if he other. He said he was afraid if he other. He said he was afraid if he didn't write about them, they would be didn't write about them, they would be didn't write about them, they would be forgotten. forgotten. forgotten. >> But it wasn't just about your kids. It >> But it wasn't just about your kids. It >> But it wasn't just about your kids. It also had something that I think a lot of also had something that I think a lot of also had something that I think a lot of people found at that moment people found at that moment people found at that moment incomprehensible, which was something incomprehensible, which was something incomprehensible, which was something about Lindsay. about Lindsay. about Lindsay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where you forgave her. I saw headlines >> Where you forgave her. I saw headlines >> Where you forgave her. I saw headlines that said, you know, killer mom and baby that said, you know, killer mom and baby that said, you know, killer mom and baby murderer, monster, and none of them were murderer, monster, and none of them were murderer, monster, and none of them were accurate. I believe that it was her accurate. I believe that it was her accurate. I believe that it was her mental illness that caused that. So, I mental illness that caused that. So, I mental illness that caused that. So, I shared those words. And I think when it shared those words. And I think when it shared those words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that comes to forgiveness, I also felt that comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, if I didn't get there, if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever.

I would be eaten up inside forever. I would be eaten up inside forever. >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? Um, I asked her if she remembered it. Um, I asked her if she remembered it. Um, I asked her if she remembered it. >> And what did she say? >> And what did she say? >> And what did she say? >> She said it was like a dream and >> She said it was like a dream and >> She said it was like a dream and uh, she remembered it much in the way uh, she remembered it much in the way uh, she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking you would remember a dream after waking you would remember a dream after waking up. up. up. >> Do you feel like you failed in some way >> Do you feel like you failed in some way >> Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period or do you feel like you in this period or do you feel like you in this period or do you feel like you did the best you could? did the best you could? did the best you could? >> I think I did the best I could with what >> I think I did the best I could with what >> I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time I had at the time I had at the time and I live with the outcome. I live with and I live with the outcome. I live with and I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. Has she ever asked for it every day. Has she ever asked for it every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? your forgiveness? your forgiveness? >> Um, no. But I gave it to her. What do >> Um, no. But I gave it to her. What do >> Um, no. But I gave it to her. What do you feel like people should know about you feel like people should know about you feel like people should know about postpartum depression and postpartum postpartum depression and postpartum postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis? And maybe especially, what do psychosis? And maybe especially, what do psychosis? And maybe especially, what do you think husbands and fathers and you think husbands and fathers and you think husbands and fathers and partners should know? [snorts] partners should know? [snorts] partners should know? [snorts] >> I think the biggest thing, and I think >> I think the biggest thing, and I think >> I think the biggest thing, and I think what most people can agree with, is that what most people can agree with, is that what most people can agree with, is that it doesn't discriminate. It can happen it doesn't discriminate. It can happen it doesn't discriminate. It can happen to anyone. I've met with so many other to anyone. I've met with so many other to anyone. I've met with so many other victims, people who have had the disease victims, people who have had the disease victims, people who have had the disease and and and fathers who have become victim to the fathers who have become victim to the fathers who have become victim to the disease and lost children.

disease and lost children. disease and lost children. And it's um best detected early. And it's um best detected early. And it's um best detected early. >> We can say accountability. We can say >> We can say accountability. We can say >> We can say accountability. We can say justice. Like what do you think that justice. Like what do you think that justice. Like what do you think that means in cases like these where there's means in cases like these where there's means in cases like these where there's an illness involved? an illness involved? an illness involved? I think we can find a compassionate way I think we can find a compassionate way I think we can find a compassionate way to deal with these tragedies. And that to deal with these tragedies. And that to deal with these tragedies. And that that doesn't mean no accountability. that doesn't mean no accountability. that doesn't mean no accountability. It just means that we recognize the It just means that we recognize the It just means that we recognize the suffering and the stigma and we try to suffering and the stigma and we try to suffering and the stigma and we try to find a way to prevent this from find a way to prevent this from find a way to prevent this from happening in the future. That's always happening in the future. That's always happening in the future. That's always how I've looked at it. how I've looked at it. how I've looked at it. >> In the weeks after the tragedy, the >> In the weeks after the tragedy, the >> In the weeks after the tragedy, the crowds of mourers dispersed and Clancy's crowds of mourers dispersed and Clancy's crowds of mourers dispersed and Clancy's world emptied out. There was no family world emptied out. There was no family world emptied out. There was no family routine, no bedtime stories, no purpose. routine, no bedtime stories, no purpose. routine, no bedtime stories, no purpose. >> Everything just came to a screeching >> Everything just came to a screeching >> Everything just came to a screeching halt. halt. halt. And then there was a day where I uh And then there was a day where I uh And then there was a day where I uh really without thinking, I drove by really without thinking, I drove by really without thinking, I drove by their school and it was at the exact their school and it was at the exact their school and it was at the exact time that all of their friends were time that all of their friends were time that all of their friends were getting dropped off [snorts] getting dropped off [snorts] getting dropped off [snorts] and I was just I couldn't be there and I was just I couldn't be there and I was just I couldn't be there anymore.

anymore. anymore. >> Did you ever have suicidal thoughts >> Did you ever have suicidal thoughts >> Did you ever have suicidal thoughts yourself? yourself? yourself? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There was a time where I I didn't think There was a time where I I didn't think There was a time where I I didn't think I would live to see my 35th birthday and I would live to see my 35th birthday and I would live to see my 35th birthday and I was completely fine with it. I was completely fine with it. I was completely fine with it. >> In April, unable to stay in Dubberry, >> In April, unable to stay in Dubberry, >> In April, unable to stay in Dubberry, Clancy said he moved to New York City, Clancy said he moved to New York City, Clancy said he moved to New York City, seeking anonymity. seeking anonymity. seeking anonymity. >> 5 weeks after I moved to New York on May >> 5 weeks after I moved to New York on May >> 5 weeks after I moved to New York on May 26th, 26th, 26th, I had to figure out how I'm going to I had to figure out how I'm going to I had to figure out how I'm going to celebrate Kellen's first birthday. And celebrate Kellen's first birthday. And celebrate Kellen's first birthday. And how do you celebrate your son's first how do you celebrate your son's first how do you celebrate your son's first birthday months after he's passed away? birthday months after he's passed away? birthday months after he's passed away? And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral. And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral. And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral. I light a candle and I say, "I love you, I light a candle and I say, "I love you, I light a candle and I say, "I love you, buddy." And I walk out on Fifth Avenue buddy." And I walk out on Fifth Avenue buddy." And I walk out on Fifth Avenue and I start crying my eyes out. and I start crying my eyes out. and I start crying my eyes out. And nobody cared. And nobody cared. And nobody cared. >> And was that good? Were you grateful for >> And was that good? Were you grateful for >> And was that good? Were you grateful for that? that? that? >> I thought, "This is where I need to be. >> I thought, "This is where I need to be. >> I thought, "This is where I need to be. >> I can grieve. Before >> I can grieve. Before >> I can grieve. Before moving, he had emptied the house in moving, he had emptied the house in moving, he had emptied the house in Dubberry, a home filled with the most Dubberry, a home filled with the most Dubberry, a home filled with the most visceral reminders of his children's visceral reminders of his children's visceral reminders of his children's lives.

lives. lives. What kind of things did you keep? Some What kind of things did you keep? Some What kind of things did you keep? Some of their toys, of their toys, of their toys, a lot of personal items, just things a lot of personal items, just things a lot of personal items, just things that reminded me of them. that reminded me of them. that reminded me of them. >> This is Dawson. >> This is Dawson. >> This is Dawson. >> Reminders now purposefully placed around >> Reminders now purposefully placed around >> Reminders now purposefully placed around his Manhattan apartment. A baby sloth his Manhattan apartment. A baby sloth his Manhattan apartment. A baby sloth that Ka carried everywhere. A photo of that Ka carried everywhere. A photo of that Ka carried everywhere. A photo of Kalen wearing a bow tie almost bigger Kalen wearing a bow tie almost bigger Kalen wearing a bow tie almost bigger than him. than him. than him. Dawson's beloved and battered Dawson's beloved and battered Dawson's beloved and battered helicopter. helicopter. helicopter. >> Those are their real handprints. >> Those are their real handprints. >> Those are their real handprints. >> In their hometown of Ducks, Clancy found >> In their hometown of Ducks, Clancy found >> In their hometown of Ducks, Clancy found another way to keep them close. This another way to keep them close. This another way to keep them close. This brand new playground built to feature brand new playground built to feature brand new playground built to feature touchston for each child. Sloths for his touchston for each child. Sloths for his touchston for each child. Sloths for his daughter, a firefighter for Dawson, and daughter, a firefighter for Dawson, and daughter, a firefighter for Dawson, and down the way, a toddler's play pen for down the way, a toddler's play pen for down the way, a toddler's play pen for Ken. Ken. Ken. >> Are you in touch with people in the town >> Are you in touch with people in the town >> Are you in touch with people in the town much? Yeah, I still have close friends much? Yeah, I still have close friends much? Yeah, I still have close friends in town. You know, my kids are are are in town. You know, my kids are are are in town. You know, my kids are are are buried here and uh I still have family buried here and uh I still have family buried here and uh I still have family here, here, here, but it's hard. It's difficult coming but it's hard. It's difficult coming but it's hard. It's difficult coming back to this town back to this town back to this town >> even though I loved it so much.

>> even though I loved it so much. >> even though I loved it so much. >> Is it difficult now? Is this difficult? >> Is it difficult now? Is this difficult? >> Is it difficult now? Is this difficult? >> It was hard coming in and um yeah, it's >> It was hard coming in and um yeah, it's >> It was hard coming in and um yeah, it's emotional. emotional. emotional. >> You have memories. You have dreams. Do >> You have memories. You have dreams. Do >> You have memories. You have dreams. Do you feel like you feel your kids' you feel like you feel your kids' you feel like you feel your kids' presence presence presence >> all the time >> all the time >> all the time >> in places or in yourself? >> in places or in yourself? >> in places or in yourself? >> I always say they live within me. Um, I >> I always say they live within me. Um, I >> I always say they live within me. Um, I talk to them. talk to them. talk to them. >> What do you say? >> What do you say? >> What do you say? >> Help me >> Help me >> Help me all the time. all the time. all the time. >> Do they help you? >> Do they help you? >> Do they help you? >> I like to believe they do. >> Do you dream about them? >> Do you dream about them? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All the time. All the time. All the time. >> Tell me a good dream. I remember >> Tell me a good dream. I remember >> Tell me a good dream. I remember early on having a dream early on having a dream early on having a dream maybe six months or a year after maybe six months or a year after maybe six months or a year after and I'm in the kitchen at the house and and I'm in the kitchen at the house and and I'm in the kitchen at the house and Cora walks in and I just look at her and Cora walks in and I just look at her and Cora walks in and I just look at her and I it was like I basically just said, I it was like I basically just said, I it was like I basically just said, "Where have you been?" And she comes up "Where have you been?" And she comes up "Where have you been?" And she comes up to me and gives me a big hug.

to me and gives me a big hug. to me and gives me a big hug. Those dreams are so real. Those dreams are so real. Those dreams are so real. It's It's It's It's like I'm lucid in those dreams. >> What should people know about Kora? >> What should people know about Kora? >> Kora was um cautious. She was shy, but >> Kora was um cautious. She was shy, but >> Kora was um cautious. She was shy, but she was so good at making friends. I I she was so good at making friends. I I she was so good at making friends. I I used to see her at birthday parties and used to see her at birthday parties and used to see her at birthday parties and um and at school when I'm picking her up um and at school when I'm picking her up um and at school when I'm picking her up and I could see the friendships that she and I could see the friendships that she and I could see the friendships that she was creating and I just loved that. I was creating and I just loved that. I was creating and I just loved that. I loved that about her. She loved loved that about her. She loved loved that about her. She loved princesses. She princesses. She princesses. She uh she loved to do art, less into uh she loved to do art, less into uh she loved to do art, less into sports, more into art. And um that was sports, more into art. And um that was sports, more into art. And um that was pretty much her personality. at at one pretty much her personality. at at one pretty much her personality. at at one point she actually went to school and point she actually went to school and point she actually went to school and convinced her teachers that her name was convinced her teachers that her name was convinced her teachers that her name was Sophia because she loved Sophia the Sophia because she loved Sophia the Sophia because she loved Sophia the first so much. So I went to pick her up first so much. So I went to pick her up first so much. So I went to pick her up one day and they were kind of like is one day and they were kind of like is one day and they were kind of like is like is Sophia her nickname or you know like is Sophia her nickname or you know like is Sophia her nickname or you know what's what's the story here? And I said what's what's the story here? And I said what's what's the story here? And I said no her name's Kora. Um but that's just no her name's Kora. Um but that's just no her name's Kora. Um but that's just how she was.

how she was. how she was. >> How about Dawson? >> How about Dawson? >> How about Dawson? >> Dawson helped me realize that not all of >> Dawson helped me realize that not all of >> Dawson helped me realize that not all of your kids are the same. They have your kids are the same. They have your kids are the same. They have different personalities different personalities different personalities and they got along so well. They were and they got along so well. They were and they got along so well. They were best friends, but Dawson was much more best friends, but Dawson was much more best friends, but Dawson was much more adventurous, much more daring. Um, he adventurous, much more daring. Um, he adventurous, much more daring. Um, he was so funny and he was so smart. I was so funny and he was so smart. I was so funny and he was so smart. I remember driving with him once and he remember driving with him once and he remember driving with him once and he just started counting from 1 to 20 and just started counting from 1 to 20 and just started counting from 1 to 20 and he was only a year and a half old. So, he was only a year and a half old. So, he was only a year and a half old. So, so I was pretty impressed. And then all so I was pretty impressed. And then all so I was pretty impressed. And then all of a sudden, of a sudden, of a sudden, >> I struggle with that myself honestly. >> I struggle with that myself honestly. >> I struggle with that myself honestly. And then all of a sudden he starts And then all of a sudden he starts And then all of a sudden he starts counting from 1 to 10 in Spanish counting from 1 to 10 in Spanish counting from 1 to 10 in Spanish and he just constantly blew my mind. So and he just constantly blew my mind. So and he just constantly blew my mind. So um we had a special bond. We we drove um we had a special bond. We we drove um we had a special bond. We we drove everywhere together. I took him to the everywhere together. I took him to the everywhere together. I took him to the Home Depot and um I took him to the fire Home Depot and um I took him to the fire Home Depot and um I took him to the fire station to see the fire trucks. He was station to see the fire trucks. He was station to see the fire trucks. He was really into trucks, really into really into trucks, really into really into trucks, really into workingclass people. workingclass people. workingclass people. And um he was my buddy. And what about And um he was my buddy. And what about And um he was my buddy. And what about Ken?

Ken? Ken? >> Callen um was just one of the happiest >> Callen um was just one of the happiest >> Callen um was just one of the happiest babies. babies. babies. His birth was was pretty easygoing. He His birth was was pretty easygoing. He His birth was was pretty easygoing. He was born in the middle of the day and it was born in the middle of the day and it was born in the middle of the day and it it didn't take long. it didn't take long. it didn't take long. I mourned Kellen in a way that I didn't I mourned Kellen in a way that I didn't I mourned Kellen in a way that I didn't really get to know him as well as my really get to know him as well as my really get to know him as well as my other kids. How are your children with other kids. How are your children with other kids. How are your children with you now? Like you now? Like you now? Like how often do you think about them? how often do you think about them? how often do you think about them? >> Every day. Every day. All day. Um I >> Every day. Every day. All day. Um I >> Every day. Every day. All day. Um I always say they live within me. I have a always say they live within me. I have a always say they live within me. I have a lot of little reminders. I do a lot of lot of little reminders. I do a lot of lot of little reminders. I do a lot of things to keep their memory alive. things to keep their memory alive. things to keep their memory alive. [snorts] Um and it's hard sometimes. I [snorts] Um and it's hard sometimes. I [snorts] Um and it's hard sometimes. I I've had people say to me, you know, I've had people say to me, you know, I've had people say to me, you know, Pat, you were really quiet today. Pat, you were really quiet today. Pat, you were really quiet today. But they don't know the things that are But they don't know the things that are But they don't know the things that are playing over and over and over again in playing over and over and over again in playing over and over and over again in my head. They don't know that the scenes my head. They don't know that the scenes my head. They don't know that the scenes are playing over and over again from are playing over and over again from are playing over and over again from that night that night that night or that the grief is just so heavy that or that the grief is just so heavy that or that the grief is just so heavy that it makes me quiet.

it makes me quiet. it makes me quiet. >> Are there scenes that play that you like >> Are there scenes that play that you like >> Are there scenes that play that you like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> that you want to play? >> that you want to play? >> that you want to play? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Give me a scene, a good scene. Uh, I >> Give me a scene, a good scene. Uh, I >> Give me a scene, a good scene. Uh, I think when I did a lot of travel, I I think when I did a lot of travel, I I think when I did a lot of travel, I I missed traveling with Kora. missed traveling with Kora. missed traveling with Kora. That was a great trip, you know, going That was a great trip, you know, going That was a great trip, you know, going to San Francisco, just the two of us. to San Francisco, just the two of us. to San Francisco, just the two of us. Didn't have to bring a lot of stuff. She Didn't have to bring a lot of stuff. She Didn't have to bring a lot of stuff. She just had a backpack. It was her first just had a backpack. It was her first just had a backpack. It was her first time on a plane where she could actually time on a plane where she could actually time on a plane where she could actually appreciate it. appreciate it. appreciate it. So, I miss those times. So, I miss those times. So, I miss those times. And, um, And, um, And, um, you know, if I'm working on a project, I you know, if I'm working on a project, I you know, if I'm working on a project, I miss having Dawson by my side because miss having Dawson by my side because miss having Dawson by my side because that's what he always did. that he'd that's what he always did. that he'd that's what he always did. that he'd grab his tool belt and we'd be hanging grab his tool belt and we'd be hanging grab his tool belt and we'd be hanging out. out. out. And um I miss putting Ken on my knees And um I miss putting Ken on my knees And um I miss putting Ken on my knees and having him kick my stomach like he and having him kick my stomach like he and having him kick my stomach like he used to do or just sitting in his used to do or just sitting in his used to do or just sitting in his playpen with him. When you think about playpen with him. When you think about playpen with him. When you think about them this way, them this way, them this way, is it good or is it painful or is it is it good or is it painful or is it is it good or is it painful or is it both? It's both. But I love I I love the both? It's both. But I love I I love the both? It's both. But I love I I love the memories.

memories. memories. I don't avoid the good memories. I don't avoid the good memories. I don't avoid the good memories. I I really never do. The bad ones I I I really never do. The bad ones I I I really never do. The bad ones I avoid. I I I really try not to think avoid. I I I really try not to think avoid. I I I really try not to think about them. I mean, it's traumatic and about them. I mean, it's traumatic and about them. I mean, it's traumatic and that can be overwhelming. that can be overwhelming. that can be overwhelming. I've never felt like the good memories I've never felt like the good memories I've never felt like the good memories are overwhelming. I hang on to those. are overwhelming. I hang on to those. are overwhelming. I hang on to those. What kind of help did you get? What kind of help did you get? What kind of help did you get? >> I think the thing that helped the most >> I think the thing that helped the most >> I think the thing that helped the most was EMDR. was EMDR. was EMDR. >> Tell people what that is. >> Tell people what that is. >> Tell people what that is. >> I don't know what it stands for. It has >> I don't know what it stands for. It has >> I don't know what it stands for. It has something to do with rapid eye movement. something to do with rapid eye movement. something to do with rapid eye movement. It's a little unusual. They put you It's a little unusual. They put you It's a little unusual. They put you right back in that place that you've right back in that place that you've right back in that place that you've been trying to avoid for years been trying to avoid for years been trying to avoid for years and you face it head on. and you face it head on. and you face it head on. And it's it's unpleasant. And it's it's unpleasant. And it's it's unpleasant. But they get you used to dealing with But they get you used to dealing with But they get you used to dealing with that that that and and and eventually eventually eventually you're better at processing it. And I you're better at processing it. And I you're better at processing it. And I they've used it in for survivors of 9/11 they've used it in for survivors of 9/11 they've used it in for survivors of 9/11 and October 7th and some horrible and October 7th and some horrible and October 7th and some horrible events. And uh after I did that, all of events. And uh after I did that, all of events. And uh after I did that, all of those sessions those sessions those sessions um the waking up screaming, the horrible um the waking up screaming, the horrible um the waking up screaming, the horrible dreams, they mostly stopped.

dreams, they mostly stopped. dreams, they mostly stopped. I mean, it was it was it was like a I mean, it was it was it was like a I mean, it was it was it was like a miracle. miracle. miracle. In July of this year, Lindsay Clancy In July of this year, Lindsay Clancy In July of this year, Lindsay Clancy went to trial for the killing of her went to trial for the killing of her went to trial for the killing of her three children. Her lawyers argued that three children. Her lawyers argued that three children. Her lawyers argued that she was suffering from dangerous she was suffering from dangerous she was suffering from dangerous postpartum psychosis and couldn't be postpartum psychosis and couldn't be postpartum psychosis and couldn't be held responsible for her actions. I'm held responsible for her actions. I'm held responsible for her actions. I'm going to declare a mistrial. going to declare a mistrial. going to declare a mistrial. >> Her trial ended with a hung jury. >> Her trial ended with a hung jury. >> Her trial ended with a hung jury. >> Meanwhile, Patrick was suddenly facing a >> Meanwhile, Patrick was suddenly facing a >> Meanwhile, Patrick was suddenly facing a trial by Tik Tok. trial by Tik Tok. trial by Tik Tok. >> This is why I think Patrick did it. >> This is why I think Patrick did it. >> This is why I think Patrick did it. >> I have so many questions. Not Lindsay. >> I have so many questions. Not Lindsay. >> I have so many questions. Not Lindsay. Patrick did it. Patrick did it. Patrick did it. >> You googled how to commit suicide. An >> You googled how to commit suicide. An >> You googled how to commit suicide. An online swarm of sleuths and influencers online swarm of sleuths and influencers online swarm of sleuths and influencers has been dissecting every detail of the has been dissecting every detail of the has been dissecting every detail of the case, developing theories that portray case, developing theories that portray case, developing theories that portray him as uncaring, unfaithful, and even him as uncaring, unfaithful, and even him as uncaring, unfaithful, and even the murderer of his children. How do you the murderer of his children. How do you the murderer of his children. How do you respond to people who have that idea respond to people who have that idea respond to people who have that idea about you? about you? about you? >> It's deeply harmful to the legacy of my >> It's deeply harmful to the legacy of my >> It's deeply harmful to the legacy of my children. It is a huge distraction from children. It is a huge distraction from children. It is a huge distraction from what really matters here, which is what really matters here, which is what really matters here, which is perinatal mental health. and it's done perinatal mental health. and it's done perinatal mental health. and it's done real harm to real people, real harm to real people, real harm to real people, myself included, but also others.

myself included, but also others. myself included, but also others. >> How does it affect you directly, the >> How does it affect you directly, the >> How does it affect you directly, the stuff that's out there online? stuff that's out there online? stuff that's out there online? >> It's painful to see and it makes it >> It's painful to see and it makes it >> It's painful to see and it makes it difficult to be in public. And it's difficult to be in public. And it's difficult to be in public. And it's possible that some of those people possible that some of those people possible that some of those people after seeing lie after lie after lie, after seeing lie after lie after lie, after seeing lie after lie after lie, they start to believe it. And that's they start to believe it. And that's they start to believe it. And that's what we're left with. One of the what we're left with. One of the what we're left with. One of the catalysts for these theories was catalysts for these theories was catalysts for these theories was Patrick's apparent stoicism on the Patrick's apparent stoicism on the Patrick's apparent stoicism on the witness stand. witness stand. witness stand. >> Testifying is very difficult. On the >> Testifying is very difficult. On the >> Testifying is very difficult. On the second day, a lot of that was focused on second day, a lot of that was focused on second day, a lot of that was focused on the night of January 24th. We did take a the night of January 24th. We did take a the night of January 24th. We did take a break right before they played the 911 break right before they played the 911 break right before they played the 911 call, which I knew was going to be just call, which I knew was going to be just call, which I knew was going to be just horrific. And I went to a back room and horrific. And I went to a back room and horrific. And I went to a back room and I started having this massive [snorts] I started having this massive [snorts] I started having this massive [snorts] traumatic panic attack. My heart was traumatic panic attack. My heart was traumatic panic attack. My heart was pounding. pounding. pounding. and they put me in an ambulance. They and they put me in an ambulance. They and they put me in an ambulance. They offered me some medication, but I said, offered me some medication, but I said, offered me some medication, but I said, "I I don't want it because I want to go "I I don't want it because I want to go "I I don't want it because I want to go back and I want to finish this so I can back and I want to finish this so I can back and I want to finish this so I can be done with this." I went back and I be done with this." I went back and I be done with this." I went back and I finished the testimony.

finished the testimony. finished the testimony. >> Clancy says, "Reaching out to survivors >> Clancy says, "Reaching out to survivors >> Clancy says, "Reaching out to survivors and experts in the field of postpartum and experts in the field of postpartum and experts in the field of postpartum health has helped him. health has helped him. health has helped him. >> I started reaching out to people at >> I started reaching out to people at >> I started reaching out to people at Postpartum Support International. Postpartum Support International. Postpartum Support International. I reached out to psychiatrists, experts I reached out to psychiatrists, experts I reached out to psychiatrists, experts in the field, in the field, in the field, and I asked them, "What do you think and I asked them, "What do you think and I asked them, "What do you think happened?" And we we had some pretty happened?" And we we had some pretty happened?" And we we had some pretty deep conversations. deep conversations. deep conversations. >> Those conversations helped Patrick come >> Those conversations helped Patrick come >> Those conversations helped Patrick come to terms with what happened. And so too to terms with what happened. And so too to terms with what happened. And so too has Dr. Rachel Danis, a fertility doctor has Dr. Rachel Danis, a fertility doctor has Dr. Rachel Danis, a fertility doctor who says they met in January of 2024 in who says they met in January of 2024 in who says they met in January of 2024 in a run club in New York. They got to know a run club in New York. They got to know a run club in New York. They got to know each other over coffee. each other over coffee. each other over coffee. >> Pat pulls out his phone to pay and I >> Pat pulls out his phone to pay and I >> Pat pulls out his phone to pay and I noticed this adorable photo of children noticed this adorable photo of children noticed this adorable photo of children as the wallpaper and I just asked who as the wallpaper and I just asked who as the wallpaper and I just asked who are those cuties and Pat had said those are those cuties and Pat had said those are those cuties and Pat had said those are my kids. And then I think I asked if are my kids. And then I think I asked if are my kids. And then I think I asked if they live in Massachusetts and Pat said they live in Massachusetts and Pat said they live in Massachusetts and Pat said they died and this is just at the they died and this is just at the they died and this is just at the cashier.

cashier. cashier. >> So what did you do then? >> So what did you do then? >> So what did you do then? >> I guess I had so many questions and yet >> I guess I had so many questions and yet >> I guess I had so many questions and yet at the same time I didn't know exactly at the same time I didn't know exactly at the same time I didn't know exactly what to ask. I think I asked their names what to ask. I think I asked their names what to ask. I think I asked their names and ages and ages and ages and then the conversation just continued and then the conversation just continued and then the conversation just continued from there. from there. from there. >> Did you imagine that this was actually a >> Did you imagine that this was actually a >> Did you imagine that this was actually a first date that could lead to love and first date that could lead to love and first date that could lead to love and marriage? marriage? marriage? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> So, you thought this is a guy I want to >> So, you thought this is a guy I want to >> So, you thought this is a guy I want to be friends with and help? I thought I be friends with and help? I thought I be friends with and help? I thought I don't I hope Pat wants to be friends and don't I hope Pat wants to be friends and don't I hope Pat wants to be friends and let's remain friends. let's remain friends. let's remain friends. >> It remained that way for the next few >> It remained that way for the next few >> It remained that way for the next few months until Patrick came to one of her months until Patrick came to one of her months until Patrick came to one of her races and met her sister who has Down races and met her sister who has Down races and met her sister who has Down syndrome. There must have been a moment, syndrome. There must have been a moment, syndrome. There must have been a moment, maybe it was a different moment for each maybe it was a different moment for each maybe it was a different moment for each of you, right, where the switch flipped of you, right, where the switch flipped of you, right, where the switch flipped and you were like, "This is something, and you were like, "This is something, and you were like, "This is something, this is something we're doing." this is something we're doing." this is something we're doing." >> Yeah. I It was the day of that half >> Yeah. I It was the day of that half >> Yeah. I It was the day of that half marathon, I think, for me. I had my marathon, I think, for me. I had my marathon, I think, for me. I had my sister sister sister um with me um with me um with me after the race. I had and then she met after the race. I had and then she met after the race. I had and then she met Pat. And I think you can tell a lot Pat. And I think you can tell a lot Pat. And I think you can tell a lot about someone when they're interacting about someone when they're interacting about someone when they're interacting with a person with special needs.

with a person with special needs. with a person with special needs. Pat was really friendly, really warm. Pat was really friendly, really warm. Pat was really friendly, really warm. And I again though wasn't taking it that And I again though wasn't taking it that And I again though wasn't taking it that seriously, but we were all sitting at a seriously, but we were all sitting at a seriously, but we were all sitting at a picnic table. And later I didn't know at picnic table. And later I didn't know at picnic table. And later I didn't know at the time, but Pat had taken a candid the time, but Pat had taken a candid the time, but Pat had taken a candid photo of me with Lauren and we were just photo of me with Lauren and we were just photo of me with Lauren and we were just hugging. Sorry. It's I just love her so hugging. Sorry. It's I just love her so hugging. Sorry. It's I just love her so much and Pat really saw what matters to much and Pat really saw what matters to much and Pat really saw what matters to me. me. me. >> What did people say to you when you guys >> What did people say to you when you guys >> What did people say to you when you guys started officially dating? started officially dating? started officially dating? >> Everyone paused. >> Everyone paused. >> Everyone paused. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, understandably so. understandably so. understandably so. I say everyone. I I had told like a I say everyone. I I had told like a I say everyone. I I had told like a couple of close friends. Um, and I think couple of close friends. Um, and I think couple of close friends. Um, and I think family members were picking up on it family members were picking up on it family members were picking up on it because they would ask what I'm doing because they would ask what I'm doing because they would ask what I'm doing that weekend or that evening and I would that weekend or that evening and I would that weekend or that evening and I would mention Pat. mention Pat. mention Pat. So, people were catching on and I think So, people were catching on and I think So, people were catching on and I think people were worried.

people were worried. people were worried. >> And what did you say to them? What did >> And what did you say to them? What did >> And what did you say to them? What did you tell people about Pat? you tell people about Pat? you tell people about Pat? I would say and and still say um it was I would say and and still say um it was I would say and and still say um it was the first time Sundays felt like the first time Sundays felt like the first time Sundays felt like Saturdays. Saturdays. Saturdays. So I didn't have a reason to stop. So I didn't have a reason to stop. So I didn't have a reason to stop. Um life just got a lot calmer for me. Um life just got a lot calmer for me. Um life just got a lot calmer for me. And And And while I did have while I did have while I did have hesitations, hesitations, hesitations, you know, Pat was saying that he wants you know, Pat was saying that he wants you know, Pat was saying that he wants the same things that I do. Rachel and the same things that I do. Rachel and the same things that I do. Rachel and Patrick got married in April of this Patrick got married in April of this Patrick got married in April of this year in Central Park. We talked a lot year in Central Park. We talked a lot year in Central Park. We talked a lot about what Pat carries, the grief that about what Pat carries, the grief that about what Pat carries, the grief that he carries along with the good memories. he carries along with the good memories. he carries along with the good memories. Do you think you help him carry that Do you think you help him carry that Do you think you help him carry that grief? grief? grief? >> I hope. >> I hope. >> I hope. >> Do you think she helps you carry that >> Do you think she helps you carry that >> Do you think she helps you carry that grief? grief? grief? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, 100%. It's >> Yeah. I mean, 100%. It's >> Yeah. I mean, 100%. It's my my my life has changed since I met Rachel in life has changed since I met Rachel in life has changed since I met Rachel in such a positive way.

such a positive way. such a positive way. >> I always um >> I always um >> I always um try to take some of the weight try to take some of the weight try to take some of the weight from Pat. I always want to strive to do from Pat. I always want to strive to do from Pat. I always want to strive to do that. that I know I can't fix. that. that I know I can't fix. that. that I know I can't fix. I can't bring his kids back. But if I I can't bring his kids back. But if I I can't bring his kids back. But if I can honor them can honor them can honor them and allow Pat to and allow Pat to and allow Pat to grieve, but also just continue to honor grieve, but also just continue to honor grieve, but also just continue to honor them in the present. It um I guess them in the present. It um I guess them in the present. It um I guess that's all I can do. that's all I can do. that's all I can do. >> And you guys are starting a family. >> And you guys are starting a family. >> And you guys are starting a family. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. What are you going to tell your child What are you going to tell your child What are you going to tell your child about about about their brothers and sister? I think every their brothers and sister? I think every their brothers and sister? I think every parent can agree. parent can agree. parent can agree. You have different relationships with You have different relationships with You have different relationships with your kids, your kids, your kids, but they're all your kids but they're all your kids but they're all your kids and and and I can't wait to tell them about their I can't wait to tell them about their I can't wait to tell them about their brothers and sister. brothers and sister. brothers and sister. What would you want to say to people who What would you want to say to people who What would you want to say to people who are coming to this story with fresh eyes are coming to this story with fresh eyes are coming to this story with fresh eyes who don't know any of the background and who don't know any of the background and who don't know any of the background and have some just some vague sense that have some just some vague sense that have some just some vague sense that there's something to be suspicious of there's something to be suspicious of there's something to be suspicious of here or something?

here or something? here or something? >> I don't understand how the story has >> I don't understand how the story has >> I don't understand how the story has been so twisted. Um, but I would hope been so twisted. Um, but I would hope been so twisted. Um, but I would hope people people people know that Pat is, know that Pat is, know that Pat is, as I said before, the most selfless as I said before, the most selfless as I said before, the most selfless father and supportive partner. father and supportive partner. father and supportive partner. Um, and I was just a girl that met a guy Um, and I was just a girl that met a guy Um, and I was just a girl that met a guy running in Central Park on a really cold running in Central Park on a really cold running in Central Park on a really cold Saturday. Saturday. Saturday. And I don't think there's anything wrong And I don't think there's anything wrong And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. with that. with that. I'll also just add that we're carrying I'll also just add that we're carrying I'll also just add that we're carrying forward what happened. We're carrying my forward what happened. We're carrying my forward what happened. We're carrying my kid's legacy forward together. kid's legacy forward together. kid's legacy forward together. And I think that's really important to And I think that's really important to And I think that's really important to both of us. both of us. both of us. Patrick and Lindsay have each brought Patrick and Lindsay have each brought Patrick and Lindsay have each brought lawsuits against healthc care providers lawsuits against healthc care providers lawsuits against healthc care providers who treated her alleging medical who treated her alleging medical who treated her alleging medical malpractice. Lindseay Clancy is being malpractice. Lindseay Clancy is being malpractice. Lindseay Clancy is being held in Tukesberry Hospital in held in Tukesberry Hospital in held in Tukesberry Hospital in Massachusetts, waiting to learn whether Massachusetts, waiting to learn whether Massachusetts, waiting to learn whether she will be retrieded for the murder of she will be retrieded for the murder of she will be retrieded for the murder of her children.