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It was 12 years ago we first saw this It was 12 years ago we first saw this picture. Secret Service agent Clint Hill picture. Secret Service agent Clint Hill picture. Secret Service agent Clint Hill climbing in the back of the presidential climbing in the back of the presidential climbing in the back of the presidential limousine that dreadful November day in limousine that dreadful November day in limousine that dreadful November day in Dallas to try to push Jacqueline Kennedy Dallas to try to push Jacqueline Kennedy Dallas to try to push Jacqueline Kennedy back to protect her life. Clint Hill was back to protect her life. Clint Hill was back to protect her life. Clint Hill was a Secret Service agent for 17 years. He a Secret Service agent for 17 years. He a Secret Service agent for 17 years. He was chief of the White House detail, was chief of the White House detail, was chief of the White House detail, later assistant director of the service. later assistant director of the service. later assistant director of the service. The agents one meets on duty are almost The agents one meets on duty are almost The agents one meets on duty are almost faceless, humorless, single-minded in faceless, humorless, single-minded in faceless, humorless, single-minded in their devotion to their chore. And Clint their devotion to their chore. And Clint their devotion to their chore. And Clint Hill was no different on duty. But Clint Hill was no different on duty. But Clint Hill was no different on duty. But Clint retired from the Secret Service 4 months retired from the Secret Service 4 months retired from the Secret Service 4 months ago at the age of 43. In the first ago at the age of 43. In the first ago at the age of 43. In the first public statement he has made, sitting public statement he has made, sitting public statement he has made, sitting with his wife Gwen, he told us some with his wife Gwen, he told us some with his wife Gwen, he told us some startling things about the Secret startling things about the Secret startling things about the Secret Service. Service. Service. >> A lot of the agents are getting tired. >> A lot of the agents are getting tired. >> A lot of the agents are getting tired. uh in 1968 when the service was required to begin when the service was required to begin protecting candidates on June 6th protecting candidates on June 6th protecting candidates on June 6th >> after Bob Kennedy was killed. >> after Bob Kennedy was killed. >> after Bob Kennedy was killed. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. After that it became apparent that the After that it became apparent that the After that it became apparent that the agents were really suffering from agents were really suffering from agents were really suffering from extreme fatigue.

extreme fatigue. extreme fatigue. They were working 12 to 18 hours a day, They were working 12 to 18 hours a day, They were working 12 to 18 hours a day, seven days a week. They were gone from seven days a week. They were gone from seven days a week. They were gone from home for weeks, months at a time. home for weeks, months at a time. home for weeks, months at a time. And then Director Rowley testified to And then Director Rowley testified to And then Director Rowley testified to that up in uh in Congress and testified that up in uh in Congress and testified that up in uh in Congress and testified that doctors who had examined many of that doctors who had examined many of that doctors who had examined many of these agents these agents these agents were suffering the same type of fatigue were suffering the same type of fatigue were suffering the same type of fatigue that many military men suffer suffer in that many military men suffer suffer in that many military men suffer suffer in battle. battle. battle. Victims of battle fatigue or not, the Victims of battle fatigue or not, the Victims of battle fatigue or not, the Secret Service still must run down and Secret Service still must run down and Secret Service still must run down and check out each and every potential check out each and every potential check out each and every potential assassin. assassin. assassin. >> Clint, you people at the Secret Service >> Clint, you people at the Secret Service >> Clint, you people at the Secret Service keep a list of potentially dangerous keep a list of potentially dangerous keep a list of potentially dangerous people, right? Something in the order of people, right? Something in the order of people, right? Something in the order of 35, 40, 45,000 names, 35, 40, 45,000 names, 35, 40, 45,000 names, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And we hear that that list is constantly >> And we hear that that list is constantly >> And we hear that that list is constantly updated updated updated >> every day. >> every day. >> every day. >> But Sarah Moore wasn't on that list. >> But Sarah Moore wasn't on that list. >> But Sarah Moore wasn't on that list. Lynette from wasn't on that list. Lynette from wasn't on that list. Lynette from wasn't on that list. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Wait a second. Arthur Bremer wasn't on >> Wait a second. Arthur Bremer wasn't on >> Wait a second. Arthur Bremer wasn't on that list. [clears throat] James Earl that list. [clears throat] James Earl that list. [clears throat] James Earl Ray wasn't there. Lee Harvey Oswald Ray wasn't there. Lee Harvey Oswald Ray wasn't there. Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't on that list. Sirhan Sirhan wasn't on that list. Sirhan Sirhan wasn't on that list. Sirhan Sirhan wasn't on that list.

wasn't on that list. wasn't on that list. >> Is Mike Wallace on it? >> Is Mike Wallace on it? >> Is Mike Wallace on it? >> Well, I I have no present intention. >> Well, I I have no present intention. >> Well, I I have no present intention. >> Tomorrow afternoon at 4:00, do I know >> Tomorrow afternoon at 4:00, do I know >> Tomorrow afternoon at 4:00, do I know for a fact for a fact for a fact that Mike Wallace is not be becoming a that Mike Wallace is not be becoming a that Mike Wallace is not be becoming a psychiatric problem? psychiatric problem? psychiatric problem? You know, if I could predict every You know, if I could predict every You know, if I could predict every person who would stand in a crowd with a person who would stand in a crowd with a person who would stand in a crowd with a gun in their hand, I'd be the greatest gun in their hand, I'd be the greatest gun in their hand, I'd be the greatest thing since Jean Dixon. thing since Jean Dixon. thing since Jean Dixon. You just can't do that. You just can't do that. You just can't do that. >> Let's say that somebody is on the list. >> Let's say that somebody is on the list. >> Let's say that somebody is on the list. None of these people were on the list. None of these people were on the list. None of these people were on the list. Let's say that Oswald, Moore, From were Let's say that Oswald, Moore, From were Let's say that Oswald, Moore, From were on the list. on the list. on the list. >> Yes. Well, then what do you do about it? >> Yes. Well, then what do you do about it? >> Yes. Well, then what do you do about it? Let's say that they show up in the Let's say that they show up in the Let's say that they show up in the crowd. crowd. crowd. >> You keep them under surveillance. Just >> You keep them under surveillance. Just >> You keep them under surveillance. Just keep looking at them. keep an agent with keep looking at them. keep an agent with keep looking at them. keep an agent with them them them >> for any hand motion or the >> for any hand motion or the >> for any hand motion or the >> any unusual movement whatsoever. >> any unusual movement whatsoever. >> any unusual movement whatsoever. >> How did they miss Sarah Jane Moore? >> Well, she just never came to their >> Well, she just never came to their attention.

attention. attention. >> You say >> You say >> You say >> as far as I know. >> as far as I know. >> as far as I know. >> You say as far as you know. But San >> You say as far as you know. But San >> You say as far as you know. But San Francisco Police Inspector Jack O'Shea Francisco Police Inspector Jack O'Shea Francisco Police Inspector Jack O'Shea says that he warned the FBI and the says that he warned the FBI and the says that he warned the FBI and the Secret Service that Sarah Jane Moore Secret Service that Sarah Jane Moore Secret Service that Sarah Jane Moore might be another squeaky from. might be another squeaky from. might be another squeaky from. Nonetheless, there she was front line Nonetheless, there she was front line Nonetheless, there she was front line across the street from the president. across the street from the president. across the street from the president. According to the agents, as I According to the agents, as I According to the agents, as I understood their testimony, that's not understood their testimony, that's not understood their testimony, that's not what they claim was said to them. And I what they claim was said to them. And I what they claim was said to them. And I believe the agents. Then we brought up believe the agents. Then we brought up believe the agents. Then we brought up the question of whether the Secret the question of whether the Secret the question of whether the Secret Service has the final say when it comes Service has the final say when it comes Service has the final say when it comes to protecting the president. to protecting the president. to protecting the president. >> Do you ever get into a fight with the >> Do you ever get into a fight with the >> Do you ever get into a fight with the president's chief of staff about president's chief of staff about president's chief of staff about something that you recommended? Chief of something that you recommended? Chief of something that you recommended? Chief of staff said, "No, that's not the way it's staff said, "No, that's not the way it's staff said, "No, that's not the way it's going to be." going to be." going to be." >> Yes. Uh who? >> Yes. Uh who? >> Yes. Uh who? >> Bob Holderman. >> Bob Holderman. >> Bob Holderman. >> About what? >> About what? >> About what? >> The building of a presidential car. >> The building of a presidential car. >> The building of a presidential car. >> The building of the car. >> The building of the car. >> The building of the car. We wanted a certain type top on the car We wanted a certain type top on the car We wanted a certain type top on the car that would protect the president from that would protect the president from that would protect the president from the rear. And uh he said no.

the rear. And uh he said no. the rear. And uh he said no. >> If you'd had protection in Dallas from >> If you'd had protection in Dallas from >> If you'd had protection in Dallas from the rear, Jack Kennedy would still be the rear, Jack Kennedy would still be the rear, Jack Kennedy would still be alive. alive. alive. >> Yes, he would. >> Yes, he would. >> Yes, he would. >> That's why we wanted it. >> That's why we wanted it. >> That's why we wanted it. >> Can I take you back to November 22nd in >> Can I take you back to November 22nd in >> Can I take you back to November 22nd in 1963? 1963? 1963? You were on the fender of the Secret You were on the fender of the Secret You were on the fender of the Secret Service car, right behind President Service car, right behind President Service car, right behind President Kennedy's car. Kennedy's car. Kennedy's car. At the first shot, you ran forward and At the first shot, you ran forward and At the first shot, you ran forward and jumped on the back of the president's jumped on the back of the president's jumped on the back of the president's car in less than two seconds, car in less than two seconds, car in less than two seconds, pulling Mrs. Kennedy down into her seat, pulling Mrs. Kennedy down into her seat, pulling Mrs. Kennedy down into her seat, protecting her. But first of all, she protecting her. But first of all, she protecting her. But first of all, she was out on the trunk of that car. was out on the trunk of that car. was out on the trunk of that car. >> She was out of the backseat of that car. >> She was out of the backseat of that car. >> She was out of the backseat of that car. Not trunk of that car. Well, she was she Not trunk of that car. Well, she was she Not trunk of that car. Well, she was she she had climbed out of the back and she she had climbed out of the back and she she had climbed out of the back and she was on the way back, right? was on the way back, right? was on the way back, right? >> And because of the fact that >> And because of the fact that >> And because of the fact that her husband's part of his her husband's her husband's part of his her husband's her husband's part of his her husband's head had been head had been head had been shot off and gone off to the street.

shot off and gone off to the street. shot off and gone off to the street. >> She wasn't she wasn't trying to climb >> She wasn't she wasn't trying to climb >> She wasn't she wasn't trying to climb out of the car. She was no out of the car. She was no out of the car. She was no she was simply trying to reach that head she was simply trying to reach that head she was simply trying to reach that head part of the head part of the head part of the head to bring it back. to bring it back. to bring it back. That's the only thing That's the only thing That's the only thing in the in [snorts] the 12 years since in the in [snorts] the 12 years since in the in [snorts] the 12 years since that assassination. Undoubtedly, you that assassination. Undoubtedly, you that assassination. Undoubtedly, you have thought and thought and thought have thought and thought and thought have thought and thought and thought again about it again about it again about it and studied it. Do you have any reason and studied it. Do you have any reason and studied it. Do you have any reason to believe that there was more than one to believe that there was more than one to believe that there was more than one gun, more than one assassin? Was Lee gun, more than one assassin? Was Lee gun, more than one assassin? Was Lee Harvey Oswald alone or were there others Harvey Oswald alone or were there others Harvey Oswald alone or were there others with him? with him? with him? >> There were only three shots >> There were only three shots >> There were only three shots and uh it was one gun, three shots. it was one gun, three shots. >> You're satisfied >> You're satisfied >> You're satisfied Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone >> completely. >> Was there any way? Was there anything >> Was there any way? Was there anything that the Secret Service that the Secret Service that the Secret Service or that Clint Hill could have done to or that Clint Hill could have done to or that Clint Hill could have done to keep that from happening?

>> Clintel. Yes. >> Clintel. Yes. >> Clint. Yes. What do you mean? If he had >> Clint. Yes. What do you mean? If he had >> Clint. Yes. What do you mean? If he had reacted about uh reacted about uh reacted about uh 5/10en of a second faster or maybe a 5/10en of a second faster or maybe a 5/10en of a second faster or maybe a second faster, second faster, second faster, I wouldn't be here today. I wouldn't be here today. I wouldn't be here today. >> You mean you would have gotten there and >> You mean you would have gotten there and >> You mean you would have gotten there and you would have taken the shot? you would have taken the shot? you would have taken the shot? >> The third [clears throat] shot? Yes, >> The third [clears throat] shot? Yes, >> The third [clears throat] shot? Yes, sir. >> And that would have been all right with >> And that would have been all right with you. >> That would have been fine with me. >> That would have been fine with me. >> But you couldn't. You got there in in >> But you couldn't. You got there in in >> But you couldn't. You got there in in less than 2 seconds, Clint. You you you less than 2 seconds, Clint. You you you less than 2 seconds, Clint. You you you couldn't have gotten there. You you couldn't have gotten there. You you couldn't have gotten there. You you don't you surely don't have any sense of don't you surely don't have any sense of don't you surely don't have any sense of guilt about that. guilt about that. guilt about that. >> Yes, I certainly do. Have a great deal of guilt about that. Have a great deal of guilt about that. Had I turned in a different direction, I'd have made it. I'd have made it. That was my fault. Oh, That was my fault. Oh, That was my fault. Oh, >> no one has ever suggested that for an >> no one has ever suggested that for an >> no one has ever suggested that for an instant.

instant. instant. >> All that you did was show great bravery >> All that you did was show great bravery >> All that you did was show great bravery and great presence of mind. >> What was on the citation that was given >> What was on the citation that was given you for your work on November 22nd, you for your work on November 22nd, you for your work on November 22nd, 1963? Extraordinary courage and heroic 1963? Extraordinary courage and heroic 1963? Extraordinary courage and heroic effort in the face of maximum danger. effort in the face of maximum danger. effort in the face of maximum danger. >> Mike, I don't care about that. If I had reacted just a little bit If I had reacted just a little bit quicker and I could have, I guess, now live with that to my grave. now live with that to my grave. >> You can understand it took Clint Hill >> You can understand it took Clint Hill >> You can understand it took Clint Hill some moments to compose himself after some moments to compose himself after some moments to compose himself after talking so openly of his memories of talking so openly of his memories of talking so openly of his memories of that day in Dallas. that day in Dallas. that day in Dallas. >> Is that what's responsible for your >> Is that what's responsible for your >> Is that what's responsible for your early retirement from the service? early retirement from the service? early retirement from the service? >> Yes, sir. It is. You really are a uh a >> Yes, sir. It is. You really are a uh a >> Yes, sir. It is. You really are a uh a victim in a sense of combat fatigue. victim in a sense of combat fatigue. victim in a sense of combat fatigue. >> Well, that's not exactly what the >> Well, that's not exactly what the >> Well, that's not exactly what the doctors call it. >> What do they call it?

>> What do they call it? I have a severe neurological problem I have a severe neurological problem I have a severe neurological problem caused caused caused by what has happened in the past and by what has happened in the past and by what has happened in the past and they've recommended they've recommended they've recommended psychiatric help psychiatric help psychiatric help traceable to what has taken place in traceable to what has taken place in traceable to what has taken place in your li your life Gwen's life and the your li your life Gwen's life and the your li your life Gwen's life and the and the lives of the people that you're and the lives of the people that you're and the lives of the people that you're guarding. guarding. guarding. >> They trace it all back to 1963. Well, then we turned to other subjects. Well, then we turned to other subjects. We asked this former chief of the White We asked this former chief of the White We asked this former chief of the White House Secret Service detail whether House Secret Service detail whether House Secret Service detail whether there was ever a time when any of the there was ever a time when any of the there was ever a time when any of the five presidents he served expressed deep five presidents he served expressed deep five presidents he served expressed deep concern for his own personal safety. concern for his own personal safety. concern for his own personal safety. >> Yes, there was. >> Yes, there was. >> Yes, there was. >> When was that? >> When was that? >> When was that? >> In 1968. >> In 1968. >> In 1968. >> 68. What happened? >> 68. What happened? >> 68. What happened? >> Martin Luther King was killed. >> Martin Luther King was killed. >> Martin Luther King was killed. >> Yeah. and >> Yeah. and >> Yeah. and President Johnson was scheduled to go to President Johnson was scheduled to go to President Johnson was scheduled to go to a memorial service for him and he called me uh two or three times.

and he called me uh two or three times. Once I recall it was at 2:00 in the Once I recall it was at 2:00 in the Once I recall it was at 2:00 in the morning and I think the other time was morning and I think the other time was morning and I think the other time was at 4 in the morning right there. at 4 in the morning right there. at 4 in the morning right there. >> The president called you at home? >> The president called you at home? >> The president called you at home? >> Yes. and >> Yes. and >> Yes. and >> and requested that I be as close to him >> and requested that I be as close to him >> and requested that I be as close to him as possible the next day, preferably not as possible the next day, preferably not as possible the next day, preferably not a foot and a half away from him a foot and a half away from him a foot and a half away from him >> because he feared that >> because he feared that >> because he feared that >> he had the feeling a premonition that uh >> he had the feeling a premonition that uh >> he had the feeling a premonition that uh something was going to happen to him. something was going to happen to him. something was going to happen to him. >> Then we turned to Lynden Johnson's >> Then we turned to Lynden Johnson's >> Then we turned to Lynden Johnson's successor Richard Nixon. successor Richard Nixon. successor Richard Nixon. >> Clint, there's been a lot of talk about >> Clint, there's been a lot of talk about >> Clint, there's been a lot of talk about San Clementi and Kiscane. Estimate how San Clementi and Kiscane. Estimate how San Clementi and Kiscane. Estimate how much work was done on the Kiscane and much work was done on the Kiscane and much work was done on the Kiscane and San Clementi homes of Richard Nixon in San Clementi homes of Richard Nixon in San Clementi homes of Richard Nixon in the name of security and in the name of the name of security and in the name of the name of security and in the name of the Secret Service. the Secret Service. the Secret Service. That was actually unnecessary from the That was actually unnecessary from the That was actually unnecessary from the Secret Service point of view of the total expenditures and I don't of the total expenditures and I don't recall what they are. recall what they are. recall what they are. I would say that uh more than half of I would say that uh more than half of I would say that uh more than half of them them them were not required by the Secret Service.

were not required by the Secret Service. were not required by the Secret Service. >> By whom? >> By whom? >> By whom? >> Well, by the General Services >> Well, by the General Services >> Well, by the General Services Administration. Administration. Administration. >> Well, the General Services >> Well, the General Services >> Well, the General Services Administration doesn't just go out there Administration doesn't just go out there Administration doesn't just go out there and say, "Let's uh put in a bed of and say, "Let's uh put in a bed of and say, "Let's uh put in a bed of flowers here or a stand of trees here." flowers here or a stand of trees here." flowers here or a stand of trees here." Somebody has to say, "Do it." Somebody has to say, "Do it." Somebody has to say, "Do it." >> Well, I think maybe you better present >> Well, I think maybe you better present >> Well, I think maybe you better present that question to Bob Halddederman. What that question to Bob Halddederman. What that question to Bob Halddederman. What you're saying is that Halddederman you're saying is that Halddederman you're saying is that Halddederman ordered or somebody in the White House ordered or somebody in the White House ordered or somebody in the White House staff said do it and tagged the Secret staff said do it and tagged the Secret staff said do it and tagged the Secret Service with it. Service with it. Service with it. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Last year, the cost of guarding my >> Last year, the cost of guarding my >> Last year, the cost of guarding my Eisenhower by the Secret Service came to Eisenhower by the Secret Service came to Eisenhower by the Secret Service came to $472,000. $472,000. $472,000. I imagine the same thing was true for I imagine the same thing was true for I imagine the same thing was true for Best Truman and for Lady Bird Johnson, Best Truman and for Lady Bird Johnson, Best Truman and for Lady Bird Johnson, right? right? right? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Do they need Secret Service protection? Do they need Secret Service protection? Do they need Secret Service protection? >> In my opinion, no. >> In my opinion, no. >> In my opinion, no. >> Why do they get Secret Service >> Why do they get Secret Service >> Why do they get Secret Service protection? Because it's a law. Simple protection? Because it's a law. Simple protection? Because it's a law. Simple as that. What does a Secret Service as that. What does a Secret Service as that. What does a Secret Service agent do for my Eisenhower or Best agent do for my Eisenhower or Best agent do for my Eisenhower or Best Truman or Ladybird?

>> Take her to the beauty parlor. >> Take her to the beauty parlor. >> Yes. It's m it's mainly a service >> Yes. It's m it's mainly a service >> Yes. It's m it's mainly a service function as opposed to a protective function as opposed to a protective function as opposed to a protective function because the threats aren't function because the threats aren't function because the threats aren't aren't there. aren't there. aren't there. >> In a sense, you are butlers, chauffeers, >> In a sense, you are butlers, chauffeers, >> In a sense, you are butlers, chauffeers, companions. companions. companions. >> Very good friend of mine >> Very good friend of mine >> Very good friend of mine who was formerly the secretary of the who was formerly the secretary of the who was formerly the secretary of the treasury. He said exactly what you just said. Now, He said exactly what you just said. Now, Mike, Mike, Mike, that's what you become. that's what you become. that's what you become. Butlers, chauffeers. Butlers, chauffeers. Butlers, chauffeers. And I told him, I said, "Mr. Secretary," And I told him, I said, "Mr. Secretary," And I told him, I said, "Mr. Secretary," and I'm not going to say who it is, but and I'm not going to say who it is, but and I'm not going to say who it is, but >> I know who it is. >> I know who it is. >> I know who it is. >> We all know who it is. >> We all know who it is. >> We all know who it is. >> John Connelly. >> John Connelly. >> John Connelly. >> John Connelly, right? >> John Connelly, right? >> John Connelly, right? >> Said, >> Said, >> Said, >> "Enough of that." >> "Enough of that." >> "Enough of that." >> That's what he said. >> That's what he said. >> That's what he said. >> Enough of that. >> Enough of that. >> Enough of that. >> And I said, "I agree with you." >> And I said, "I agree with you." >> And I said, "I agree with you." Hill also told us there's too much time Hill also told us there's too much time Hill also told us there's too much time and money wasted protecting foreign and money wasted protecting foreign and money wasted protecting foreign dignitaries visiting this country. Half dignitaries visiting this country. Half dignitaries visiting this country. Half of them, he thinks, don't need that of them, he thinks, don't need that of them, he thinks, don't need that protection.

protection. protection. >> It ran down to >> It ran down to >> It ran down to finance minister, the divorced wife of a finance minister, the divorced wife of a finance minister, the divorced wife of a king, the deposed monarch of a certain state. uh deposed monarch of a certain state. uh without using any name. without using any name. without using any name. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it really got to be pretty >> And it really got to be pretty >> And it really got to be pretty pretty damn ridiculous to be very frank pretty damn ridiculous to be very frank pretty damn ridiculous to be very frank and honest with you and extremely and honest with you and extremely and honest with you and extremely costly. Money aside, could you give the costly. Money aside, could you give the costly. Money aside, could you give the president, the sitting president and his president, the sitting president and his president, the sitting president and his family and official Washington better family and official Washington better family and official Washington better protection? When I say you, I mean the protection? When I say you, I mean the protection? When I say you, I mean the Secret Service if you didn't have some Secret Service if you didn't have some Secret Service if you didn't have some of these additional chores that you of these additional chores that you of these additional chores that you don't believe merit Secret Service. don't believe merit Secret Service. don't believe merit Secret Service. There's no question about that, Mike. There's no question about that, Mike. There's no question about that, Mike. Uh, you know, if if you don't have Uh, you know, if if you don't have Uh, you know, if if you don't have agents sitting places where you don't agents sitting places where you don't agents sitting places where you don't really need them and you can really really need them and you can really really need them and you can really utilize them in other situations, utilize them in other situations, utilize them in other situations, you're going to have a better protective you're going to have a better protective you're going to have a better protective effort.

effort. effort. It's political year, this one coming up. It's political year, this one coming up. It's political year, this one coming up. Obviously, the president of the United Obviously, the president of the United Obviously, the president of the United States is going to get it. What about States is going to get it. What about States is going to get it. What about candidates? Do uh who knows there may be candidates? Do uh who knows there may be candidates? Do uh who knows there may be a dozen Democratic candidates and at a dozen Democratic candidates and at a dozen Democratic candidates and at least one additional and maybe more least one additional and maybe more least one additional and maybe more Republican candidates in addition to the Republican candidates in addition to the Republican candidates in addition to the president. Should they all get it? No, president. Should they all get it? No, president. Should they all get it? No, they should not. In 1972, it became they should not. In 1972, it became they should not. In 1972, it became absolutely ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous. Uh Secret Service was required to Uh Secret Service was required to Uh Secret Service was required to protect people like Dr. Spock, protect people like Dr. Spock, protect people like Dr. Spock, Tom Anderson from Tennessee, Tom Anderson from Tennessee, Tom Anderson from Tennessee, who was the vice president on the who was the vice president on the who was the vice president on the I can't recall the name of the ticket, I can't recall the name of the ticket, I can't recall the name of the ticket, but it was one of them with uh former but it was one of them with uh former but it was one of them with uh former congressman from California. congressman from California. congressman from California. >> Schmidz. >> Schmidz. >> Schmidz. >> Congressman Schmidz. >> Congressman Schmidz. >> Congressman Schmidz. Uh they were we were asked to protect Uh they were we were asked to protect Uh they were we were asked to protect Julius Hobson who is from Washington who Julius Hobson who is from Washington who Julius Hobson who is from Washington who was a vice presidential candidate on a was a vice presidential candidate on a was a vice presidential candidate on a ticket who was a terminal cancer page ticket who was a terminal cancer page ticket who was a terminal cancer page patient and who the agents went over and patient and who the agents went over and patient and who the agents went over and talked to and he signed a letter of talked to and he signed a letter of talked to and he signed a letter of declination who was the only person that declination who was the only person that declination who was the only person that I know of that did but it gets gets I know of that did but it gets gets I know of that did but it gets gets completely out of control.

completely out of control. completely out of control. How in the final analysis can the Secret How in the final analysis can the Secret How in the final analysis can the Secret Service protect Service protect Service protect against somebody who is mentally against somebody who is mentally against somebody who is mentally deranged and suicidal if he or she wants deranged and suicidal if he or she wants deranged and suicidal if he or she wants to kill the president of the United to kill the president of the United to kill the president of the United States? Is it possible? >> Yeah, it's possible. But if you place >> Yeah, it's possible. But if you place the president in a glass cage down on the president in a glass cage down on the president in a glass cage down on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but it's not 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but it's not 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but it's not practical, practical, practical, you can't do it. You mean it's just a you can't do it. You mean it's just a you can't do it. You mean it's just a chance that we're going to have to take chance that we're going to have to take chance that we're going to have to take and it is possible and it is possible and it is possible for somebody who is mentally or a for somebody who is mentally or a for somebody who is mentally or a fanatic who is willing to sacrifice fanatic who is willing to sacrifice fanatic who is willing to sacrifice himself or herself. There's nothing that himself or herself. There's nothing that himself or herself. There's nothing that that the Secret Service in the final that the Secret Service in the final that the Secret Service in the final analysis can do. analysis can do. analysis can do. >> You're absolutely correct. >> You're absolutely correct. >> You're absolutely correct. It can happen any day. It can happen any day. It can happen any day. Unfortunately,